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Post by hedgehog on Oct 27, 2016 13:51:48 GMT
Incidentally, I'm seeing some Greens on social media say this wouldn't be an example of the potential for a progressive alliance because they don't think the Lib Dems are progressive. So this 'progressive alliance' we keep hearing about consists of just Labour and the Green Party, currently polling a combined 31% in the polls. ROFL. Could someone pleased explain what 'Progressive' means ? |
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Post by philipchandler on Oct 27, 2016 14:02:06 GMT
So this 'progressive alliance' we keep hearing about consists of just Labour and the Green Party, currently polling a combined 31% in the polls. ROFL. Could someone pleased explain what 'Progressive' means ? Not easily. Nobody really agrees on what it means, as far as I can see, which is why I'm very sceptical of suggestions for a 'progressive alliance'. Seems sure to end in tribal arguments over who is really 'progressive', when instead the people involved would be far better attempting to actually win people over with their arguments. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 27, 2016 14:03:50 GMT
So this 'progressive alliance' we keep hearing about consists of just Labour and the Green Party, currently polling a combined 31% in the polls. ROFL. Could someone pleased explain what 'Progressive' means ? It's that warm feeling that you feel, and anybody who isn't in the same situation doesn't feel. A bit like wetting the bed. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 27, 2016 14:06:31 GMT
So this 'progressive alliance' we keep hearing about consists of just Labour and the Green Party, currently polling a combined 31% in the polls. ROFL. Could someone pleased explain what 'Progressive' means ? Wasn't "Progressive" the label for anti-socialist alliances in Scottish local government? Or is it now the term indicating the political wing of the UVF? |
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mboy
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Post by mboy on Oct 27, 2016 14:09:58 GMT
Historically it was easier: it was mostly an antonym for either 'conservative' or 'reactionary'; which corresponded usually to "left of centre" in societies where there wasn't any real communist element.
However, in recent years things have got more complicated, and the emergence of a "regressive left" (who want to retreat on freedom of speech and who back very conservative policies if they are proposed by ethnic or religious groups) means that it's an increasingly useless term.
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Jack
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Post by Jack on Oct 27, 2016 14:11:48 GMT
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nitory
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Post by nitory on Oct 27, 2016 14:28:36 GMT
So this 'progressive alliance' we keep hearing about consists of just Labour and the Green Party, currently polling a combined 31% in the polls. ROFL. Could someone pleased explain what 'Progressive' means ? A vague term, which has no real meaning beyond signalling of 'Something Good'and feeling morally superior. Similar to how the use of fascism/fascist has lost all meaning in modern usage and is just 'Something Bad' people I oppose advocate. Quite funny, during the NI assembly campaign all parties from the DUP to Sinn Fein described themselves as being progressive! |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 27, 2016 15:37:05 GMT
UKIP have endorsed Zac Goldsmith and won't be contesting the byelection themselves. That might not make much difference, though-UKIP support is very weak in Richmond-upon-Thames anyway. |
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 27, 2016 15:43:16 GMT
yeah well 😳 I'll still claim that isn't 'going on about it' and I hope someone has had a quiet word since 😉 tbf there are a few in the party who are keen on it (I have been fb friended by Gwynoro Jones who I would say 'goes on about it') but it certainly isn't a major strand of philosphy |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2016 15:44:44 GMT
yeah well 😳 I'll still claim that isn't 'going on about it' and I hope someone has had a quiet word since 😉 tbf there are a few in the party who are keen on it (I have been fb friended by Gwynoro Jones who I would say 'goes on about it' but it certainly isn't a major strand of philosphy  FWIW, I think it would be a good place to start for the Greens to stand down and support an anti-runway, pro-Europe LibDem. But I'm not in London Green Party, let alone Richmond. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 27, 2016 16:08:27 GMT
Two people known to be running for the Labour candidacy:
Barnaby Marder, former Richmond record store proprietor
Sam Stopp, Brent borough councillor and chair of Labour Campaign to End Homelessness
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 27, 2016 16:15:49 GMT
You fucking twat, get fucked. I don't think that is in the new spirit we signed up to a few months ago Dok? Or does the intentionality only apply to others and not to you. He merely provided a link to a matter or fact and a truth, albeit a truth you might have wished to be buried forever. Do you mean the reference to a girlfriend? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 27, 2016 16:17:10 GMT
Two people known to be running for the Labour candidacy: Barnaby Marder, former Richmond record store proprietor Sam Stopp, Brent borough councillor and chair of Labour Campaign to End Homelessness "Stopp HR3" ? |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 27, 2016 16:23:07 GMT
I don't think that is in the new spirit we signed up to a few months ago Dok? Or does the intentionality only apply to others and not to you. He merely provided a link to a matter or fact and a truth, albeit a truth you might have wished to be buried forever. Do you mean the reference to a girlfriend? I always thought he was nobbing Kristofer Keane  |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 27, 2016 16:25:35 GMT
hey look everyone who is back in the newsThe only surprising thing here is that apparently she was a member again? I had missed that... |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Oct 27, 2016 16:29:45 GMT
hey look everyone who is back in the newsThe only surprising thing here is that apparently she was a member again? I had missed that... Suspension aside she'S always been a party member, but has been a cross-bench peer for a while. There was a photo of her and Susan Kramer shared on twitter the other day which is something I wouldn't have done if I was involved the campaign but heyho. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 27, 2016 16:31:50 GMT
There was a photo of her and Susan Kramer shared on twitter the other day which is something I wouldn't have done if I was involved the campaign but heyho. lol |
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Post by Zardoz on Oct 27, 2016 17:02:47 GMT
hey look everyone who is back in the newsThe only surprising thing here is that apparently she was a member again? I had missed that... Suspension aside she'S always been a party member, but has been a cross-bench peer for a while. There was a photo of her and Susan Kramer shared on twitter the other day which is something I wouldn't have done if I was involved the campaign but heyho. Good riddance! |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 27, 2016 17:49:21 GMT
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 27, 2016 17:54:06 GMT
Could someone pleased explain what 'Progressive' means ? Not easily. Nobody really agrees on what it means, as far as I can see, which is why I'm very sceptical of suggestions for a 'progressive alliance'. Seems sure to end in tribal arguments over who is really 'progressive', when instead the people involved would be far better attempting to actually win people over with their arguments. In the 1920s "progressive" means anti-socialist conservative-liberal alliance. ( link) |
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