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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 2, 2016 16:56:13 GMT
Apparently, Olney only got involved in politics after the 2015 election. Now she's an MP. There's hope for me yet.  You'll have to join a party then - but I don't think the LibDems are a very good 'fit' for your views He could stand as an Independent. Worked for Goldsm ......  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 2, 2016 16:59:48 GMT
No we are not. Calm down Carlton.  To be fair, he's not entirely wrong. Olney said, and I quote, "it does look now as if we can have a vote in Parliament that might override the referendum". I almost wish Goldsmith had won. Come back Jack! We need more EUsceptics in the Lib Dems. I'll get lonely. |
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Post by johnloony on Dec 2, 2016 17:01:09 GMT
That's not a proper interview. The interviewer was just taking the piss throughout. |
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Post by marksenior on Dec 2, 2016 17:02:49 GMT
Agreed. The interviewer starts off with a very smarmy attitude and so it's obvious from the start that the entire interview is just a game of trickery and isnt serious. Not only that, but the interview then runs with an obvious lie: "Every single leading member of the Remain campaign said a vote to leave the EU is a vote to leave the single market", which, yes, Olney should have called out as a barefaced lie there and then but didn't. Sarah Olney is a big girl who has now become a professional politician. Hostile interviews go with the territory. It's like becoming a teacher and complaining that you have naughty children to deal with. I'd be quite happy to take rude and smarmy interviewers if I was paid her salary. Technically , she has not got a salary yet and wont until she takes her seat in the H of C . I expect her to learn the ropes and nuances pretty quickly and soon grow into a confident and eloquent politician . |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 2, 2016 17:03:23 GMT
carlton43 and others are perfectly entitled to that view. It seems logical enough from his standpoint. (Though we will naturally counter-argue that the party that has just won a by-election on a very decent turn-out with more than 50% of the vote is not anti-democratic.) Think you'll find it was slightly less than 50%. Yes, you're right, I was getting over excited! Damn near, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 17:10:37 GMT
This is less clever than you think it is. It seems to consist of the interviewer repeating the same smartarsed comment about a "second by-election" over and over again - not even an especially smart one, as the new MP will indeed need to seek renewal of her mandate in 2020. Well....firstly you have no fucking idea how clever I think it is, or otherwise? Secondly a re-election in 2020 isn't a by-election and thirdly, JHB is quite clearly taking the piss. This woman said people didn't understand what they were voting for on 23rd June. Had she had any savvy she would have said, "Yes, well if people don't like me then they can vote me out in 2020. If people don't like what Brexit turns out to be, then they are stuck with it" which I presume is what you thought I hadn't spotted because I isn't very clever, initOh, not at all. I'm just not really a fan of this type of gotcha style of interviewing. I hold no particular brief for the new MP but she no doubt had had a busy few hours and hadn't necessarily been briefed on how to respond to someone aggressively "taking the piss" for three minutes straight - I don't think it really tells us much about her abilities as an MP or even as a media performer. (I don't think she even answered the questions especially badly.) |
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Post by Jack on Dec 2, 2016 17:19:06 GMT
To be fair, he's not entirely wrong. Olney said, and I quote, "it does look now as if we can have a vote in Parliament that might override the referendum". I almost wish Goldsmith had won. Come back Jack! We need more EUsceptics in the Lib Dems. I'll get lonely. You've got Iain, JG Harston and Antochian on here. I think Mboy is on his way too. You'll be fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 17:21:12 GMT
Come back Jack! We need more EUsceptics in the Lib Dems. I'll get lonely. You've got Iain, JG Harston and Antochian on here. I think Mboy is on his way too. You'll be fine. Im looking at this the positive way. Goldsmith lost. He deserved to lose. Even if the not nots didnt deserve to win. She will lose in 2020. |
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 2, 2016 17:32:08 GMT
Someone will know - did he promise to resign and fight a by election, or just to resign? the three issues he pledged in his (succesful) bid to get elected in 2010 that he said he would resign and provoke a by-election over:He certainly succeded in allowing people to penalise his party. But, just think, we could have had a by-election on the issue of parking charges in Richmond Park. Thanks for that, so he could (and imo should) have resigned and let the conservatives fight the seat on a pro heathrow platform. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 17:38:52 GMT
That's not a proper interview. The interviewer was just taking the piss throughout. Course she was. Same applies to most MSM interviews of anyone involved in UKIP. No doubt most of JHB's listeners wanted her to take the piss. She wouldn't be worth her inflated salary if she didn't. |
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 2, 2016 17:44:38 GMT
Thanks for that, so he could (and imo should) have resigned and let the conservatives fight the seat on a pro heathrow platform. He didn't stop them. Darren Mott simply chose not to for obvious reasons. True, but had he not stood presumably the Tories would have. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 2, 2016 17:44:58 GMT
It was obvious what arch-Brexiteer JHB, was going to do Bellow incoherently? |
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 2, 2016 17:49:15 GMT
True, but had he not stood presumably the Tories would have. But he wanted to be the MP and stood accordingly. Fair enough, and he was entitled to do so. He was not required to do so as a result of his campaign pledges and had he not done so he would have gone down as a politician who kept his word at the cost of sacrificing his seat. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 2, 2016 17:50:01 GMT
Regarding the Labour membership/vote thing, not sure why anyone is surprised. There's very little correlation between the size of a particular CLP and the propensity of local residents to vote Labour and never has been. There's a partial link between Labour strength at like a regional level and CLP membership but not at any lower level of geography (and the difference gets more extreme still when we at branch memberships etc). Richmond has had a big CLP since ever and has yet been just about the worst part of London for Labour since the early 70s.
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Post by Sibboleth on Dec 2, 2016 17:52:44 GMT
But maybe this result can stop the silly conflation of Remain/Guardian/liberal views with Labour/The Left?
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Post by johnloony on Dec 2, 2016 17:52:48 GMT
The biggest December turnout since Enfield Southgate 1984 (according to someone on Twitter (I haven't double-checked)) It's not true. Turnout at the Crewe & Nantwich by-election in 2008 was 58.2%. But Crewe & Nantwich was in May 2008. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 2, 2016 17:56:59 GMT
But maybe this result can stop the silly conflation of Remain/Guardian/liberal views with Labour/The Left? A highly optimistic use of "maybe", I fear. Let's not forget shall we, several of our most esteemed "commentators" wet themselves with excitement earlier this week because UKIP's new leader has a scouse accent. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 2, 2016 18:00:54 GMT
But shouldn't the Dead Limb PR guys have seen it coming and pulled her? Of course they should But does it really matter? No. |
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Post by Khunanup on Dec 2, 2016 18:31:16 GMT
You've got Iain, JG Harston and Antochian on here. I think Mboy is on his way too. You'll be fine. Im looking at this the positive way. Goldsmith lost. He deserved to lose. Even if the not nots didnt deserve to win. She will lose in 2020. Like she was going to lose yesterday? |
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Post by spqr on Dec 2, 2016 18:34:31 GMT
Regarding the Labour membership/vote thing, not sure why anyone is surprised. There's very little correlation between the size of a particular CLP and the propensity of local residents to vote Labour and never has been. There's a partial link between Labour strength at like a regional level and CLP membership but not at any lower level of geography (and the difference gets more extreme still when we at branch memberships etc). Richmond has had a big CLP since ever and has yet been just about the worst part of London for Labour since the early 70s. Isn't Seumas Milne a member of Richmond Park CLP? I'm pretty sure Lord Attenborough was as well. |
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