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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 12:25:53 GMT
The guy who drives my local taxi voted Brexit to 'get the Pakis out' - would that be part of a 'hard Brexit'? Whatever happens an awful lot of people are going to be disappointed, and you will probably be one of them... seems a number of peoples thought they were voting for repatriation, |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 2, 2016 12:26:31 GMT
The guy who drives my local taxi voted Brexit to 'get the Pakis out' - would that be part of a 'hard Brexit'? Whatever happens an awful lot of people are going to be disappointed, and you will probably be one of them... seems a number of peoples thought they were voting for repatriation, And I wonder how they got that idea?? |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 2, 2016 12:27:18 GMT
The guy who drives my local taxi voted Brexit to 'get the Pakis out' - would that be part of a 'hard Brexit'? Whatever happens an awful lot of people are going to be disappointed, and you will probably be one of them... seems a number of peoples thought they were voting for repatriation, I think so voted for 'making things the way they used to be', which simply isn't going to happen - its an impossibility |
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Post by bigfatron on Dec 2, 2016 12:33:06 GMT
seems a number of peoples thought they were voting for repatriation, I think so voted for 'making things the way they used to be', which simply isn't going to happen - its an impossibility He was voting to 'stop immigration'; for him this equated to repatriation of resident immigrants. Bizarrely he didn't seem remotely bothered by eastern European immigrants, being particular keen on Latvian girls....
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 2, 2016 12:43:49 GMT
OK. 1872. Not a disaster. Perfectly possible to turn that at the next election when there will be no outside support and a proper full-blooded Conservative campaign. He lost much the same proportion as at Witney. In both cases party punished for causing an entirely unnecessary by-election. Be warned Blue Team. That is quite enough bloody nonsense with a small majority. Get a grip. LDs now clearly identified as the new enemy for all of us. They are the party to stall and to resist. Don't let the momentum get under way or who knows what result for any of us? They are now clearly identified as the Anti-Brexit and even Anti-Democratic party, the party who wish to overturn Brexit by any means. We must use every opportunity to leaflet that to every household especially in those strongly Brexit seats. New phase of the War. No we are not. Calm down Carlton.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 12:47:36 GMT
OK. 1872. Not a disaster. Perfectly possible to turn that at the next election when there will be no outside support and a proper full-blooded Conservative campaign. He lost much the same proportion as at Witney. In both cases party punished for causing an entirely unnecessary by-election. Be warned Blue Team. That is quite enough bloody nonsense with a small majority. Get a grip. LDs now clearly identified as the new enemy for all of us. They are the party to stall and to resist. Don't let the momentum get under way or who knows what result for any of us? They are now clearly identified as the Anti-Brexit and even Anti-Democratic party, the party who wish to overturn Brexit by any means. We must use every opportunity to leaflet that to every household especially in those strongly Brexit seats. New phase of the War. No we are not. Calm down Carlton. isn't your leader for stopping brexit and keeping us in the EU or is that a lie as well. Your candidate even said she will do what she can to keep the UK in the EU. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 2, 2016 12:48:17 GMT
Ah! At last some good news in 2016! 😂 Hopefully a bit of hat eating is going on in some quartets! I declined to make a prediction other than that it would be close (<10%) on superstitious grounds! But it is nice to see a lib dem by-election gain after 10 years! Thanks to Caroline Lucas and some of the local Greens. Looks like it may cause a bit of a split though.... What next? Nothing earth shattering, probably. Very good for Farron who suddenly has some success to point to. Maybe some increase in lib dem membership and poll support but I don't expect anything very dramatic. Will be interesting to see what happens in Sleaford.. if the Lib Dems overtake Labour there..... Lordy me! We're struggling to keep up now! (Our local membership has doubled in past two years. Quite a task for the poor Secretary to keep track of them all.) |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 2, 2016 12:50:00 GMT
It is really strange to see people saying tgat Zac shot himself in the foot or made a disasterous decision. Fuck me....no wonder politicians are such liars. The public cry out for an MP that does what he says he will. Then, when they get one they vote him out. Zac promised to resign and fight a by election over Heathrow and he did. What a shame more MPs dont have his honesty and integrity Yeah, I was thinking that overnight. In this particular constituency it's arguable that it was hard for any Conservative to unseat a sitting LD when it was obvious that a Tory govt was always likely to accept the business case for Heathrow whereas an LD MP would always be free to oppose it on the basis of both environmentalism and localism. Making the promise to resign was his way to square the circle and the price to be paid was that he had to resign. The alternatives were either to rat on his promise and have his already (post-Mayor) tattered personal reputation shredded further, or likely enough not to have won the seat in the first place. Arguably the Tories should thank him for temporarily getting them one more seat in London during a period when they have either had a small majority in Parliament or none at all, rather than complaining that he has now lost it. I could criticise him for a lot, but not for keeping a repeated promise. He might have been on a stronger platform if he'd detached himself from the Tories a little more definitively. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 2, 2016 12:59:28 GMT
No we are not. Calm down Carlton. isn't your leader for stopping brexit and keeping us in the EU or is that a lie as well. Your candidate even said she will do what she can to keep the UK in the EU. My objection was to the phrase "by any means" which implied underhand or improper tactics. MPs have every right to hold and campaign for views they hold. Farron (and I assume Olney) wish to persuade the public to remain in the EU. Fair enough. |
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Post by bigfatron on Dec 2, 2016 13:01:13 GMT
No we are not. Calm down Carlton. isn't your leader for stopping brexit and keeping us in the EU or is that a lie as well. Your candidate even said she will do what she can to keep the UK in the EU. I believe Farron is campaigning for the final version of Brexit to be put to the British people alongside whatever 'Remain' option is available at that time. I think he expects it to be obvious at that stage that staying in is preferable. He may or may not be correct; I guess it depends on how good or bad a job May, Johnson, Davies, Fox, etc. do with the exit negotiations.
And presumably Olney feels not just empowered but obligated to vote against Brexit given she has just been elected on that explicit platform.
I'm sure that those closer to the official Lib Dem position will clarify if I have that wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:01:17 GMT
It is really strange to see people saying tgat Zac shot himself in the foot or made a disasterous decision. Fuck me....no wonder politicians are such liars. The public cry out for an MP that does what he says he will. Then, when they get one they vote him out. Zac promised to resign and fight a by election over Heathrow and he did. What a shame more MPs dont have his honesty and integrity What he did was the opposite of demonstrating honest and integrity. Running as an independent with the obvious intent of quickly retaking the Tory whip was the height of dishonesty. He deserved to lose and I am glad he did. One might say he wanted to have his cake and eat it. |
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Post by zoe on Dec 2, 2016 13:04:15 GMT
Genuinely heard on the London Underground this morning.
There are delays on the District Line due to faulty signals in the Richmond Area.
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Post by thirdchill on Dec 2, 2016 13:05:56 GMT
The plurality of our posters predicted correctly (makes a change!)
Can't say I am too bothered about this loss, would be more bothered is Sleaford was lost next week. Don't have a high opinion of Zac.
One good thing it may actually do is stop some conservatives from looking at the national opinion polls and becoming complacent. Obviously many weren't but some of the hubris from conservative supporting-commentators about inevitable increases in seat numbers at the next general election has been kicked into touch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:06:53 GMT
carlton43 and others are perfectly entitled to that view. It seems logical enough from his standpoint. (Though we will naturally counter-argue that the party that has just won a by-election on a very decent turn-out with more than 50% of the vote is not anti-democratic.) Think you'll find it was slightly less than 50%. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:15:12 GMT
seems a number of peoples thought they were voting for repatriation, I think so voted for 'making things the way they used to be', which simply isn't going to happen - its an impossibility Let me make this clear, I am NOT advocating repatriation. However, during my adult life I have lived in two places where this has happened within (just) living memory (Thessaloniki, in Greece, and Szczecin, in Poland). I would also point to the examples of the likes of Algeria and Zimbabwe. I suppose, being British, we are too 'civilised' for this kind of thing. However, I don't see repatriation as an 'impossibility' in France, Netherlands and Austria in the medium to long term. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:18:51 GMT
What he did was the opposite of demonstrating honest and integrity. Running as an independent with the obvious intent of quickly retaking the Tory whip was the height of dishonesty. He deserved to lose and I am glad he did. Woe boy. He said....quite categorically, that, if he won, then he would sit as an independent for the remainder of the parliament. There is no question about this Richard, because I saw him say it. news.sky.com/story/zac-goldsmith-refuses-to-rule-out-future-return-to-tory-fold-10674535I can of course understand that people don't trust him because he is that rare beast.....a politician who does what he says he will. I admire Zac Godsmith for putting his principles first. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 13:22:36 GMT
Interesting statistic for Corbynistas: Pretty obvious that some of them voted LibDem as a means of getting rid of Goldsmith. Can't see what it has to do with Corbyn! In a FPTP system its been part of the political scene for years, particularly in seats like this It's also pretty bloody obvious that high membership will not be reflected by a high popular vote in elections. No doubt there are more Labour members than LibDems in the constituency, which means little or nothing come election time. |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 2, 2016 13:36:34 GMT
OK. 1872. Not a disaster. Perfectly possible to turn that at the next election when there will be no outside support and a proper full-blooded Conservative campaign. He lost much the same proportion as at Witney. In both cases party punished for causing an entirely unnecessary by-election. Be warned Blue Team. That is quite enough bloody nonsense with a small majority. Get a grip. LDs now clearly identified as the new enemy for all of us. They are the party to stall and to resist. Don't let the momentum get under way or who knows what result for any of us? They are now clearly identified as the Anti-Brexit and even Anti-Democratic party, the party who wish to overturn Brexit by any means. We must use every opportunity to leaflet that to every household especially in those strongly Brexit seats. New phase of the War. No we are not. Calm down Carlton. I am calm. I am always calm. That is part of my ability to exercise controlled menace. I can turn it up and down like a dog does with barking. I don't have to work myself up into a paddy to sound angry. No. Not all of you are anti-Brexit, but most are. No, not all of you are Anti-Democratic, but some assuredly are, and it is a good stick for us to deploy. There is an element within the party that wishes to overturn Brexit and some of them are up for pretty much any means. I admit they are a distinct minority. But it is another stick to use in certain circumstances. |
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Post by The Bishop on Dec 2, 2016 13:37:45 GMT
Actually, there are some LibDem local parties with very high memberships - wouldn't be surprised if this was one of them?
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Dec 2, 2016 13:49:42 GMT
The plurality of our posters predicted correctly (makes a change!) Though a majority (myself included, admittedly) predicted Goldsmith to win, irrespective of margin. |
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