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Post by johnloony on Dec 2, 2016 3:37:04 GMT
184 votes for Alan Hope (OMRLP) is the smallest number of votes for any candidate in 4th place in a parliamentary by-election since 1984, when Victor Litvin (Pro-Nuclear Holocaust) got 117 votes in Surrey South West.
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Post by johnloony on Dec 2, 2016 3:42:51 GMT
It is really strange to see people saying tgat Zac shot himself in the foot or made a disasterous decision. Fuck me....no wonder politicians are such liars. The public cry out for an MP that does what he says he will. Then, when they get one they vote him out. Zac promised to resign and fight a by election over Heathrow and he did. What a shame more MPs dont have his honesty and integrity That was his catastrophic misjudgment. It was already clear at the time of the general election in May 2015 that he was explicitly opposed to Heathrow expansion, so he had an unambiguous mandate for that position in 2015. It was an egotistical indulgence for him to think that he needed to get a mandate to get another mandate later on, as if the original mandate was not strong enough. |
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Post by maxque on Dec 2, 2016 3:51:19 GMT
Everyone blames Goldsmith, but why no one blames May for the by-election? She knew approving Heathrow would cause a by-election, after all.
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 2, 2016 5:24:30 GMT
Sarah Olney is 39 which makes her the youngest LD MP as well as being the only woman LD MP.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 6:16:25 GMT
Just got up.
As I predicted, as I feared.
"I know these kids".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 6:28:57 GMT
Ah! But do you know what sophisticated means? I agree that it does apply to them. Presumably from "sophist"? You know, that had never occurred to me. I'm indebted to you. "Superficial, false, decadent, impure and/or morally corrupted". |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 2, 2016 6:44:00 GMT
Yes, that makes perfect sense doesn't it Shirley you stupid cow. The results of a nationwide referendum should clearly be overridden on the basis of a by election in a single constituency. You can bet more Lib Dems, including Farron, will be saying the same thing. It'll probably start with Olney's acceptance speech. If they want to frame it as a vote on Brexit, i make that a swing of about 16% in our favour since June |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 6:56:23 GMT
What a fool that man has been. Threw away London and now lost one of the safest seats in Britain through wilful stupidity and gross arrogance. And the Conservatives let him do it and stand as an independent thus cutting off the support of the full machine. What a Fred Karnos! They should have expelled him from the party and put up a bright young candidate to fight a strong Brexit and pro-Heathrow and right wing campaign with a view to him taking it back at the next GE. UKIP are as bad is losing the opportunity to campaign hard on Brexit and make a lot of points with the new leader on the by-election panel. This has been an utter disaster and people should be sacked over it on the party planning and campaigns side. Ooh so *this* is what I sounded like on referendum night.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 7:43:38 GMT
Just woken up to what is probably the first good political news I've had in 2016 - on December 2nd! A massive well done to Sarah and the Lib Dems, delighted for her and them. I note that the Green vote in 2015 was 3548. Quite useful that we stood down I'd say  |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 2, 2016 8:03:24 GMT
Surprised at how low the number of "spoiled" ballots was, given the lack of UKIP, Green and official Tory candidates.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 2, 2016 8:12:36 GMT
Everyone blames Goldsmith, but why no one blames May for the by-election? She knew approving Heathrow would cause a by-election, after all. Because if we wanted to run the country entirely around localist issues at the expense of the wider picture, we'd be Lib Dems. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 2, 2016 8:13:19 GMT
What a fool that man has been. Threw away London and now lost one of the safest seats in Britain through wilful stupidity and gross arrogance. And the Conservatives let him do it and stand as an independent thus cutting off the support of the full machine. What a Fred Karnos! They should have expelled him from the party and put up a bright young candidate to fight a strong Brexit and pro-Heathrow and right wing campaign with a view to him taking it back at the next GE. UKIP are as bad is losing the opportunity to campaign hard on Brexit and make a lot of points with the new leader on the by-election panel. This has been an utter disaster and people should be sacked over it on the party planning and campaigns side. Ooh so *this* is what I sounded like on referendum night.... No, you were worse than that. |
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Post by andrew111 on Dec 2, 2016 8:14:32 GMT
Ah! At last some good news in 2016! 😂
Hopefully a bit of hat eating is going on in some quartets! I declined to make a prediction other than that it would be close (<10%) on superstitious grounds! But it is nice to see a lib dem by-election gain after 10 years!
Thanks to Caroline Lucas and some of the local Greens. Looks like it may cause a bit of a split though....
What next? Nothing earth shattering, probably. Very good for Farron who suddenly has some success to point to. Maybe some increase in lib dem membership and poll support but I don't expect anything very dramatic. Will be interesting to see what happens in Sleaford.. if the Lib Dems overtake Labour there.....
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Post by John Chanin on Dec 2, 2016 8:15:42 GMT
Also just logged in to see with great pleasure that the Liberals have removed the appalling Zak Goldsmith.
We are people as well you know, who want to be listened to.....
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Dec 2, 2016 8:17:59 GMT
Just woken up to what is probably the first good political news I've had in 2016 - on December 2nd! A massive well done to Sarah and the Lib Dems, delighted for her and them. I note that the Green vote in 2015 was 3548. Quite useful that we stood down I'd say Given typical Green by-election performances, I doubt it would have made any difference. |
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Post by markf on Dec 2, 2016 8:24:32 GMT
Well done the Libdems
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Dec 2, 2016 8:59:04 GMT
It is really strange to see people saying tgat Zac shot himself in the foot or made a disasterous decision. Fuck me....no wonder politicians are such liars. The public cry out for an MP that does what he says he will. Then, when they get one they vote him out. Zac promised to resign and fight a by election over Heathrow and he did. What a shame more MPs dont have his honesty and integrity Yeah, I was thinking that overnight. In this particular constituency it's arguable that it was hard for any Conservative to unseat a sitting LD when it was obvious that a Tory govt was always likely to accept the business case for Heathrow whereas an LD MP would always be free to oppose it on the basis of both environmentalism and localism. Making the promise to resign was his way to square the circle and the price to be paid was that he had to resign. The alternatives were either to rat on his promise and have his already (post-Mayor) tattered personal reputation shredded further, or likely enough not to have won the seat in the first place. Arguably the Tories should thank him for temporarily getting them one more seat in London during a period when they have either had a small majority in Parliament or none at all, rather than complaining that he has now lost it. I could criticise him for a lot, but not for keeping a repeated promise. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 2, 2016 9:08:46 GMT
It is really strange to see people saying tgat Zac shot himself in the foot or made a disasterous decision. Fuck me....no wonder politicians are such liars. The public cry out for an MP that does what he says he will. Then, when they get one they vote him out. Zac promised to resign and fight a by election over Heathrow and he did. What a shame more MPs dont have his honesty and integrity Yeah, I was thinking that overnight. In this particular constituency it's arguable that it was hard for any Conservative to unseat a sitting LD when it was obvious that a Tory govt was always likely to accept the business case for Heathrow whereas an LD MP would always be free to oppose it on the basis of both environmentalism and localism. Making the promise to resign was his way to square the circle and the price to be paid was that he had to resign. The alternatives were either to rat on his promise and have his already (post-Mayor) tattered personal reputation shredded further, or likely enough not to have won the seat in the first place. Arguably the Tories should thank him for temporarily getting them one more seat in London during a period when they have either had a small majority in Parliament or none at all, rather than complaining that he has now lost it. I could criticise him for a lot, but not for keeping a repeated promise. I think a Tory gain in Richmond Park was probably on the cards in 2010 anyway. If not then it would certainly have gone in 2015 whoever the candidate |
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Post by mondialito on Dec 2, 2016 9:15:54 GMT
LDs now clearly identified as the new enemy for all of us. They are the party to stall and to resist. Don't let the momentum get under way or who knows what result for any of us? They are now clearly identified as the Anti-Brexit and even Anti-Democratic party, the party who wish to overturn Brexit by any means. We must use every opportunity to leaflet that to every household especially in those strongly Brexit seats. New phase of the War. You know Carlton, rhetoric like that is a big cause of the Remainer pushback. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 9:16:14 GMT
Er, the man is not stupid, able to get out of this mess of a Parliament and go back to some sort of life as an ordinary billionaire
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