mboy
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Post by mboy on Nov 28, 2016 21:05:19 GMT
Well the Lib Dems had nearly 1,000 activists in over the weekend (I was one of them!), and I expect that focussed a few Zac minds...
Lib Dems are winning the poster/stakeboard war easily, by at least 3 to 1, maybe 5 to 1 in areas.
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Post by philipchandler on Nov 28, 2016 21:19:03 GMT
Politicians promoting things which make cheap headlines, but are bureaucratic nightmares, are one of the problems of today's politics. No, they aren't. People passing legislation that fulfils that criteria is a big problem. The cheap headlines that are never going to go anywhere are a minor annoyance at worst. And is that not in itself a problem? Minorly annoy somebody a thousand times and very soon they will not want anything to do with you. |
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Nov 28, 2016 22:04:44 GMT
I shall confess to being in two minds about this one. I had initially hoped that Goldsmith would get thrashed but the campaign run by the Lib Dems makes it very difficult for me to want them to win.
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 28, 2016 22:25:33 GMT
Richard,
which bit of the campaign, as a matter of interest?
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 28, 2016 22:32:13 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that the main thing I'm hoping for is a ridiculously low turn-out. As the whole thing is basically a Goldsmith-ego trip nobody turning up to vote would be somewhat amusing. Second to that, seeing Goldsmith beaten would be rather satisfying. Seeing Goldsmith beaten on a ridiculously low turn out would just about make my day. It being Richmond Park, I'm not seriously expecting a ridiculously low turn out though.
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 28, 2016 22:33:39 GMT
I shall confess to being in two minds about this one. I had initially hoped that Goldsmith would get thrashed but the campaign run by the Lib Dems makes it very difficult for me to want them to win. My thoughts precisely. I'd probably just have to abstain if I lived here. |
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Nov 28, 2016 22:57:10 GMT
I kind of want to see a Lib Dem victory here just because it would be one less Tory and the difference between 8 and 9 Lib Dems in Parliament doesn't amount to much. Whether I could bring myself to vote for them if I was a local is another matter.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 28, 2016 23:18:14 GMT
I kind of want to see a Lib Dem victory here just because it would be one less Tory and the difference between 8 and 9 Lib Dems in Parliament doesn't amount to much. Whether I could bring myself to vote for them if I was a local is another matter. I think that's an interesting point of view and shows how endorsements of one party by the leadership of another, or assumptions about how voters of the smaller parties (inc LDs where appropriate) might vote tactically, are very dodgy. I wonder how many Labour voters in RP are considering voting tactically, and how many of them might prefer to see Goldsmith re-elected rather than have a LD? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 28, 2016 23:43:52 GMT
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/28/richmond-park-byelection-and-prospect-of-progressive-allianceSeveral prominent members of the Green Party in Kingston have signed a letter criticising Caroline Lucas and calling on a vote for Christian Wolmer. I have heard a lot of comments from friends in Kingston who have been very unhappy they have not been involved with conversations and plans between Caroline's office and the Richmond party. The local party's likely target ward for 2018 is in the constituency and they have been blocked from airing concerns. I've noticed that in London the Green Party is mostly (or always?) organised on a borough basis. Great for council elections and as the Assembly seats are combinations of whole boroughs it shouldn't be a problem there but how does it work with cross borough parliamentary seats? Who exactly makes the call on the candidate or not standing or who to back? (We don't have any such seats in Newham.) Some of the reports seem to imply the Richmond and Kingston parties didn't actually get together to decide things but instead Richmond made announcements and Kingston members pretty much had to go along with it. |
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Nov 28, 2016 23:47:34 GMT
Torn about this election. Torn over my dislike of Zac Goldsmith and the Liberal Democrats. On balance I think I'd prefer for Mr Goldsmith to win. Smug Lib Dems are the most insufferable, nauseating creatures possible.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 28, 2016 23:53:40 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 29, 2016 0:07:51 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE. Or refuse his application for the Tory whip? Simples! |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 29, 2016 0:18:30 GMT
I think I've come to the conclusion that the main thing I'm hoping for is a ridiculously low turn-out. As the whole thing is basically a Goldsmith-ego trip nobody turning up to vote would be somewhat amusing. Second to that, seeing Goldsmith beaten would be rather satisfying. Seeing Goldsmith beaten on a ridiculously low turn out would just about make my day. It being Richmond Park, I'm not seriously expecting a ridiculously low turn out though. A low turnout would almost certainly be bad news for Zac since it would suggest normally Tory voters (like Swan?) sitting on their hands... Still, one could always vote for "the Lioness"  |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 29, 2016 0:19:19 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE. Or refuse his application for the Tory whip? Simples! No. Need the numbers so he can have the whip restored. No problem there. Just get rid before the next GE. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2016 0:22:08 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE. I agree about the by-election - I'd vote for Zac Goldsmith if I was still in Richmond - but disagree about what follows. Just as somebody like Arnold Schwarzenegger was the only kind of Republican that could take the governorship of California, somebody like Zac Goldsmith is the only kind of Conservative that would be likely to hang on to Richmond. See my earlier comments on this thread. Like Ruth Davidson in Scotland, who politically is not my cup of tea at all, it's a matter of horses for courses. The feedback I'm getting from old Conservative hands working for Zac Goldsmith is that he, and the Conservative Party, have jointly blown it in the particular circumstances of this by-election, and the Lib Dems look like they are heading for victory. If the local Tories take the advice of carlton43 at the next general election, they aren't going to get it back. |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 29, 2016 2:00:10 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE. If he's in, he's in and no-one is going to dream of de-selecting him. |
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Post by maxque on Nov 29, 2016 3:40:53 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE. Considering the area, the selected replacement would most likely be quite similar to him. It's the kind of constituency where Cameron was probably more popular than May. |
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YL
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Post by YL on Nov 29, 2016 7:50:03 GMT
I kind of want to see a Lib Dem victory here just because it would be one less Tory and the difference between 8 and 9 Lib Dems in Parliament doesn't amount to much. Whether I could bring myself to vote for them if I was a local is another matter. I think that's an interesting point of view and shows how endorsements of one party by the leadership of another, or assumptions about how voters of the smaller parties (inc LDs where appropriate) might vote tactically, are very dodgy. I wonder how many Labour voters in RP are considering voting tactically, and how many of them might prefer to see Goldsmith re-elected rather than have a LD? Not in Richmond Park, but I'd certainly vote for Olney, partly because of the EU issue and partly because I think Goldsmith deserves to lose for calling this ridiculous stunt of a by-election where he is allegedly standing in protest against a Government policy but is clearly getting full support from the Government party. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 29, 2016 8:30:22 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE. Considering the area, the selected replacement would most likely be quite similar to him. It's the kind of constituency where Cameron was probably more popular than May. There's no probably about it. Very little love for May when I was there at the weekend even among Zac voters. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 29, 2016 9:16:08 GMT
Come on Blue Team and fellow travellers. It has to be Goldsmith. He may be a rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............BUT, he is 'OUR' rich spoilt arrogant Green prat..............AND he is the only LEAVE candidate! So, shut up, hold your noses and ease him past the post. Then de-select the fucker and get a proper candidate for the GE. Well, that is pretty much the alternative argument: he may be green, but he's rich spoilt etc, he has called a silly by-election, he is pretending to be an independent when he is in fact quite clearly one of the Blue Team (and, even worse, that of the fellow travellers) and above all he is the Leave candidate in a constituency where that in itself disqualifies him to represent his constituents. "Zac Goldsmith: the candidate carlton43 would vote for. Vote Olney." |
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