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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 12:43:24 GMT
Is someone going to charge Goldsmith the cost of this election?
He has indicated that upon re election he will take the Tory whip so there is absolutely no point in this exercise.
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 27, 2016 13:47:18 GMT
Is someone going to charge Goldsmith the cost of this election? He has indicated that upon re election he will take the Tory whip so there is absolutely no point in this exercise. No and Yes. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 27, 2016 15:13:32 GMT
Two possibilities: 1) The Liberal Democrats have conducted proper opinion polling of Richmond Park constituency. In which case the fact that the headline figures have been leaked means that under BPC rules the whole poll must be released. Or: 2) This is just the same worthless 'canvass returns' story rehashed, combined with a lot of ramping. Option 2 is the more likely. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 27, 2016 15:56:47 GMT
No she wasn't, don't be so silly. On almost every issue she was well to the left of the average in your party. One of the few I had any time for amongst the overpromoted cracks in the pavement obsessives. But she was never the 'most' left wing. Also don't mistake pandering to stock hard left causes as being in any way left wing. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 27, 2016 16:02:34 GMT
Here's another pro-LibDem leaflet being distributed by a pressure group:   What's the electoral law on this sort of thing? An organisation registers with the Electoral Commission as a "third party" and can then spend up to a certain limit in support of one candidate at an election? Does such spending count towards the candidate's expenses? Surely it can't be unregulated? Here's the Electoral Commission guidance. |
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Post by Adam on Nov 27, 2016 17:12:06 GMT
Here's the Electoral Commission guidance. Where? |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 27, 2016 18:20:40 GMT
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 27, 2016 18:48:23 GMT
As usual the electoral commission take you on merry dance repeating information you don't actually want to know in umpteen different ways (quite similar to the leaflet campaign in a typical by-election, or the #richmondparkbyelection Twitter handle!) However my impression, reading between the lines, is that non-party organisations such as More United need to register with the electoral commission if they intend to spend more than £10k (possibly!), but that the spending will not count against the Party candidate they are supporting. They do have an election limit but I lost the will to live before finding what it is for a parliamentary by-election! Anyone disagree? (I think the Green Party may have to be more careful... Which is why their leaflets have talked about voting for a "progressive candidate" and so on, but never naming one. Not sure though!) Anyway I am sure the Lib Dem Agent is well aware of the rules, as are More United who have plenty such people as members. The rules will no doubt be stretched to within a whisker of breaking point |
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Post by Crimson King on Nov 27, 2016 20:08:37 GMT
As usual the electoral commission take you on merry dance repeating information you don't actually want to know in umpteen different ways (quite similar to the leaflet campaign in a typical by-election, or the #richmondparkbyelection Twitter handle!) However my impression, reading between the lines, is that non-party organisations such as More United need to register with the electoral commission if they intend to spend more than £10k (possibly!), but that the spending will not count against the Party candidate they are supporting. They do have an election limit but I lost the will to live before finding what it is for a parliamentary by-election! Anyone disagree? (I think the Green Party may have to be more careful... Which is why their leaflets have talked about voting for a "progressive candidate" and so on, but never naming one. Not sure though!) Anyway I am sure the Lib Dem Agent is well aware of the rules, as are More United who have plenty such people as members. The rules will no doubt be stretched to within a whisker of breaking point yes, I strruggled with multiple links to the same (fairly unhelpful) document, but it looks like as long as they don't spend much they are completely outside any regulation |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 27, 2016 20:33:48 GMT
As usual the electoral commission take you on merry dance repeating information you don't actually want to know in umpteen different ways (quite similar to the leaflet campaign in a typical by-election, or the #richmondparkbyelection Twitter handle!) However my impression, reading between the lines, is that non-party organisations such as More United need to register with the electoral commission if they intend to spend more than £10k (possibly!), but that the spending will not count against the Party candidate they are supporting. They do have an election limit but I lost the will to live before finding what it is for a parliamentary by-election! Anyone disagree? (I think the Green Party may have to be more careful... Which is why their leaflets have talked about voting for a "progressive candidate" and so on, but never naming one. Not sure though!) Anyway I am sure the Lib Dem Agent is well aware of the rules, as are More United who have plenty such people as members. The rules will no doubt be stretched to within a whisker of breaking point yes, I strruggled with multiple links to the same (fairly unhelpful) document, but it looks like as long as they don't spend much they are completely outside any regulation It does appear that the legislation didn't consider by-elections so I think you're pretty much on the money here. Unless there's a clause that's almost impossible to find! |
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Post by Adam on Nov 27, 2016 21:06:09 GMT
As far as I can work out from p. 9 of this document www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/193069/Overview-of-non-party-campaigns-May-2016.pdfthe amount a non-party organisation can spend for a campaign for a particular candidate in a single constituency (as a by-election will be) is £700 and that you don't have to register with the Electoral Commission as this is regulated by the police:I doubt that either More United or Compass or will have spent more than that on their leaflets, but if they have, then Goldsmith, if he loses, will be able to report them to the police or, for that matter, anybody could. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2016 21:20:29 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 27, 2016 22:49:19 GMT
As far as I can work out from p. 9 of this document www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/193069/Overview-of-non-party-campaigns-May-2016.pdfthe amount a non-party organisation can spend for a campaign for a particular candidate in a single constituency (as a by-election will be) is £700 and that you don't have to register with the Electoral Commission as this is regulated by the police:I doubt that either More United or Compass or will have spent more than that on their leaflets, but if they have, then Goldsmith, if he loses, will be able to report them to the police or, for that matter, anybody could. Candidates have a much higher spending limit at by-elections - does this apply to non-party campaigns? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 28, 2016 18:27:37 GMT
Is someone going to charge Goldsmith the cost of this election? He has indicated that upon re election he will take the Tory whip so there is absolutely no point in this exercise. I'm slightly surprised nobody is proposing amending electoral law so that if you resign and stand again, you pick up the cheque for the administration costs. It wouldn't have a hope in hell of passing the Commons and it'd be a bureaucratic nightmare to enforce, but it'd be good for some cheap headlines. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Nov 28, 2016 19:04:00 GMT
Is someone going to charge Goldsmith the cost of this election? He has indicated that upon re election he will take the Tory whip so there is absolutely no point in this exercise. I'm slightly surprised nobody is proposing amending electoral law so that if you resign and stand again, you pick up the cheque for the administration costs. It wouldn't have a hope in hell of passing the Commons and it'd be a bureaucratic nightmare to enforce, but it'd be good for some cheap headlines. Politicians promoting things which make cheap headlines, but are bureaucratic nightmares, are one of the problems of today's politics. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 28, 2016 19:58:45 GMT
I'm slightly surprised nobody is proposing amending electoral law so that if you resign and stand again, you pick up the cheque for the administration costs. It wouldn't have a hope in hell of passing the Commons and it'd be a bureaucratic nightmare to enforce, but it'd be good for some cheap headlines. Politicians promoting things which make cheap headlines, but are bureaucratic nightmares, are one of the problems of today's politics. No, they aren't. People passing legislation that fulfils that criteria is a big problem. The cheap headlines that are never going to go anywhere are a minor annoyance at worst. |
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Post by wallington on Nov 28, 2016 20:45:07 GMT
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/28/richmond-park-byelection-and-prospect-of-progressive-allianceSeveral prominent members of the Green Party in Kingston have signed a letter criticising Caroline Lucas and calling on a vote for Christian Wolmer. I have heard a lot of comments from friends in Kingston who have been very unhappy they have not been involved with conversations and plans between Caroline's office and the Richmond party. The local party's likely target ward for 2018 is in the constituency and they have been blocked from airing concerns.
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Post by mboy on Nov 28, 2016 20:47:58 GMT
Blocked from airing concerns except in national media like the Guardian? LOL. This looks more like 'Revenge of the watermelons' to me.
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Post by wallington on Nov 28, 2016 20:56:02 GMT
Blocked from airing concerns except in national media like the Guardian? LOL. This looks more like 'Revenge of the watermelons' to me. Well, perhaps its perfectly fine for members of a local party in the contituency to be removed from campaign discussion groups for putting forward the view that stepping down is one thing... but spending money on literature for the by-election is not a good idea... especialy as one of the reasons we didnt stand was supposedly the cost of it... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 20:59:01 GMT
Rumours I'm hearing from experienced Conservative campaigners working for Zac Goldsmith are that things don't seem to be going as well as they might.
I shall say no more than that.
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