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Post by Adam on Nov 22, 2016 17:46:39 GMT
I have just received a leaflet from the Green Party through my letter box. On the front it says;. Inside it explains:Reading between the lines this is a call to vote for the LibDem candidate but I imagine lawyers have advised them not to say this directly as the expense of the leaflet would then have to count as part of LibDem candidate's expenses (and they are certainly spending as much as they can -- I've received at least tenleaflets and letters from them, so far).
Later they say: I expect they will be wanting a quid pro quo from LibDems for not standing, such as a free run in some Westminister constituencies and, at local level, for the LibDems not to contest all the council seats in multi-member wards.
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 22, 2016 19:21:28 GMT
I have just received a leaflet from the Green Party through my letter box. On the front it says;. Inside it explains:Reading between the lines this is a call to vote for the LibDem candidate but I imagine lawyers have advised them not to say this directly as the expense of the leaflet would then have to count as part of LibDem candidate's expenses (and they are certainly spending as much as they can -- I've received at least tenleaflets and letters from them, so far). Later they say: I expect they will be wanting a quid pro quo from LibDems for not standing, such as a free run in some Westminister constituencies and, at local level, for the LibDems not to contest all the council seats in multi-member wards. Yes, with all these different people on both sides supporting the main candidates in this election expenses must be a bit of a nightmare! Whether the Lib Dems offer the Greens anything in return may depend on whether it works! Certainly in public they never asked the Greens to stand down but that may have happened by proxy. Sarah Olney has said recently she is glad Labour are standing as she is glad not to be identified with Corbyn! |
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Post by wallington on Nov 22, 2016 20:13:08 GMT
The Greens in Richmond and Kingston have not been offered anything concrete by the Lib Dems. While I am not certain of arrangements with Richmond i imagine they may be close to what the Kingston local party got. The Kingston Lib Dems have promised to hold talks with the Kingston Green Party over the possibility of not standing against each other in certain wards in 2018. I imagine though if the Lib Dems sense they can win a certain ward in North Kingston in 2018, where the Greena will target in the Richmond Park constituency, these talks will go nowhere.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 23, 2016 18:16:09 GMT
Someone has told me that Olney's husband helped build Terminal 5. Anyone else heard that?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 23, 2016 18:43:18 GMT
Someone has told me that Olney's husband helped build Terminal 5. Anyone else heard that? Not sure "helped build" is quite the correct phrase, but he certainly worked on the project. But since he's not the candidate and - as far as I can gather - has no interest (in the propriety sense) in any further development of Heathrow I can't see it as hugely relevant. Oh, and Guido has revealed the shocking news that they have a book about Heathrow in their bookcase!The shame! The shame! |
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Post by rocky on Nov 23, 2016 21:48:18 GMT
I have just received a leaflet from the Green Party through my letter box. On the front it says;. Inside it explains:Reading between the lines this is a call to vote for the LibDem candidate but I imagine lawyers have advised them not to say this directly as the expense of the leaflet would then have to count as part of LibDem candidate's expenses (and they are certainly spending as much as they can -- I've received at least tenleaflets and letters from them, so far). Later they say: I expect they will be wanting a quid pro quo from LibDems for not standing, such as a free run in some Westminister constituencies and, at local level, for the LibDems not to contest all the council seats in multi-member wards. Can you post copies of the leaflets you've received? |
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Post by Adam on Nov 24, 2016 6:49:12 GMT
That's sounds complicated but I'll have a go. In the meantime here's something from the local Green Party's website, including the speech of the person who would have been their candidate: |
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Post by rocky on Nov 24, 2016 15:09:29 GMT
Thanks , it's a shame normally people put copies on the election leaflets website but no one has for this by-election.
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Post by Adam on Nov 24, 2016 15:54:36 GMT
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Post by Adam on Nov 24, 2016 16:03:13 GMT
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Post by pepperminttea on Nov 24, 2016 16:37:54 GMT
Lol this is the kind of thing that may backfire as the kind of voters the Lib Dem voters need to win over to win this seat hold views light years away from the Greens. If this is shoved through the letterbox of a 2015 Tory voter unhappy over Brexit how helpful do you think this will be? lol Associating themselves with left wing/Corbynite policies is the last thing the Lib Dems need to do. |
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Post by pepperminttea on Nov 24, 2016 16:48:31 GMT
If I were Goldsmith I would make hay out of the Greens endorsement of Olney. Carpet bomb the constituency with leaflets linking her to the Greens left wing policies and stand back and watch 2015 Tory voters come home.
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Post by marksenior on Nov 24, 2016 17:15:25 GMT
If I were Goldsmith I would make hay out of the Greens endorsement of Olney. Carpet bomb the constituency with leaflets linking her to the Greens left wing policies and stand back and watch 2015 Tory voters come home. As Goldsmith is often regarded as a Green supporter in blue clothing I doubt whether that sort of campaigning would help him . |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 24, 2016 21:37:26 GMT
If I were Goldsmith I would make hay out of the Greens endorsement of Olney. Carpet bomb the constituency with leaflets linking her to the Greens left wing policies and stand back and watch 2015 Tory voters come home. [/qcuote] Well, the Lib Dems have been making hay over UKIP's endorsement of Zac (and he has foolishly been trying to deny it!). I think the Green leaflet will persuade as many Labour and Green voters as it puts off Tories.. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 22:15:28 GMT
Are we not in danger of thinking "traditionally" with this sort of thing, chaps? "Post-truth" politics now you know  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2016 23:10:16 GMT
Are we not in danger of thinking "traditionally" with this sort of thing, chaps? "Post-truth" politics now you know Not in Richmond Park. They don't like socialism and they don't like rocking the boat. Lib Dems should act as Europhile Tories. They shouldn't associate themselves with the left next mind the fringe left. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 24, 2016 23:16:07 GMT
Are we not in danger of thinking "traditionally" with this sort of thing, chaps? "Post-truth" politics now you know Not in Richmond Park. They don't like socialism and they don't like rocking the boat. Lib Dems should act as Europhile Tories. They shouldn't associate themselves with the left next mind the fringe left. Quite possibly correct, though logically Green endorsement does not mean LDs adopting Green polices, rather the other way round. It perhaps suggests that on environmental issues, which are after all the core of Green Party politics, they consider that the LDs are the best bet, which is not great material for Goldsmith to work with given his own priorities and his reasons for forcing the by-election. The logic of your point is to say "I won't vote for Party X because some of their other voters believe in things that I don't" whereas surely the correct question is whether the candidate has views that you agree with, since the candidate is the one that gets to sit in parliament and legislate, not the people who voted for them But frankly I doubt it will make much odds to the voters. |
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Post by spqr on Nov 24, 2016 23:19:52 GMT
Are we not in danger of thinking "traditionally" with this sort of thing, chaps? "Post-truth" politics now you know Not in Richmond Park. They don't like socialism and they don't like rocking the boat. Lib Dems should act as Europhile Tories. They shouldn't associate themselves with the left next mind the fringe left. That's the kind of complacency that comes with being materially comfortable, I suppose. |
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Post by rocky on Nov 24, 2016 23:23:56 GMT
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Post by mboy on Nov 24, 2016 23:43:06 GMT
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