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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2023 17:12:34 GMT
I suppose a year isn’t that bad… I joined the forum a year ago in February 2022 after lurking since around 2018, the same year I joined the Labour Party on the first day I could. I wasn’t an active party member until shortly after I joined the forum, which I think was in a way the impetus for me to actually get involved in the local party. I canvassed and leafleted for the local elections last May (though I wasn’t able to vote yet; I’ll be voting for the first time these local elections) and ended up attending Labour Party conference in September. I have much more interest in psephology than day-to-day politics or individual politicians. How places and groups of people vote and why they do so interests me most. The lack of detailed GE results by polling district and ward, unlike most countries, is a curse in that regard but the estimates posted on this forum have been very interesting to see. I don’t really do the General UK Politics and Off-Topic boards but in terms of politics I am quite partisan and cannot imagine myself in another party; I’m also on the party’s right (Labour First, not Progress). I place myself, though, in a Liberal political tradition (even my puritanical/Puritanical tendencies), specifically the provincial and republican strain once strong in my home city, rather than a socialist one. Regarding the other traditional preoccupations of the forum, I have recently rediscovered a childhood interest in the railways and plan to do two 14-day ALRs in June, but alas I don’t drink and I don’t plan to. My other interests include anime, manga, Hayao Miyazaki’s A Trip to Tynemouth, Anglo-Saxon England, and increasingly games from the late 1990s and early 2000s. I have lived my whole life in the historic boundaries (first Newcastle; and now coastal North Tyneside, to which I moved on the day of the 2017 general election) of Northumberland, for which I have much affection. Thanks for introducing yourself, but I must ask: why does a Liberal feel comfortable in a social democratic party? As someone floating between the ideologies of left libertarianism/libertarian socialism/eco socialism, I don't really feel any connection to social democracy (in fact, I outright oppose it in some cases) and I consider KS's Labour quite an authoritarian implementation of SD, which doesn't help the appeal from a traditional liberal POV.All of those terms are completely meaningless. Congratulations on destroying such a large chunk of English vocabulary in such a short paragraph
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Mar 6, 2023 17:33:01 GMT
Thanks for introducing yourself, but I must ask: why does a Liberal feel comfortable in a social democratic party? As someone floating between the ideologies of left libertarianism/libertarian socialism/eco socialism, I don't really feel any connection to social democracy (in fact, I outright oppose it in some cases) and I consider KS's Labour quite an authoritarian implementation of SD, which doesn't help the appeal from a traditional liberal POV.All of those terms are completely meaningless. Congratulations on destroying such a large chunk of English vocabulary in such a short paragraph The political ideologies are established and KS is clearly Keir Starmer, but suit yersel I guess
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Post by grahammurray on Mar 6, 2023 18:55:38 GMT
Thanks for introducing yourself, but I must ask: why does a Liberal feel comfortable in a social democratic party? As someone floating between the ideologies of left libertarianism/libertarian socialism/eco socialism, I don't really feel any connection to social democracy (in fact, I outright oppose it in some cases) and I consider KS's Labour quite an authoritarian implementation of SD, which doesn't help the appeal from a traditional liberal POV.All of those terms are completely meaningless. Congratulations on destroying such a large chunk of English vocabulary in such a short paragraph It's actually very coherent. You should try reading the recent release on Labour's "5 Missions". Absolute word salad.
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Post by tonyhill on Mar 6, 2023 18:58:30 GMT
When I joined the Young Liberals in 1967 one of the nostrums was that "We are all libertarian socialists now." (Along with being Anarcho-syndicalists). Wysall would have fitted into the Young Liberals of that era without any problem. Politics has changed a great deal over that period, and social democracy has blunted the radical edge of Liberalism. One of the consistencies, though, has been the authoritarian thread that runs through the Labour Party.
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Post by aargauer on Mar 6, 2023 19:04:26 GMT
All of those terms are completely meaningless. Congratulations on destroying such a large chunk of English vocabulary in such a short paragraph It's actually very coherent. You should try reading the recent release on Labour's "5 Missions". Absolute word salad. It's utopian. To be on "the left" requires a big powerful state or, essentially wishful thinking. I can accept on the micro level elements of the libertarian left are viable. It simply isn't an ideology for running a country. It's internally inconsistent. I'd consider someone like Keir Starmer as lightly authoritarian as it is possible to be on the left.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 6, 2023 19:58:20 GMT
I suppose a year isn’t that bad… I joined the forum a year ago in February 2022 after lurking since around 2018, the same year I joined the Labour Party on the first day I could. I wasn’t an active party member until shortly after I joined the forum, which I think was in a way the impetus for me to actually get involved in the local party. I canvassed and leafleted for the local elections last May (though I wasn’t able to vote yet; I’ll be voting for the first time these local elections) and ended up attending Labour Party conference in September. I have much more interest in psephology than day-to-day politics or individual politicians. How places and groups of people vote and why they do so interests me most. The lack of detailed GE results by polling district and ward, unlike most countries, is a curse in that regard but the estimates posted on this forum have been very interesting to see. I don’t really do the General UK Politics and Off-Topic boards but in terms of politics I am quite partisan and cannot imagine myself in another party; I’m also on the party’s right (Labour First, not Progress). I place myself, though, in a Liberal political tradition (even my puritanical/Puritanical tendencies), specifically the provincial and republican strain once strong in my home city, rather than a socialist one. Regarding the other traditional preoccupations of the forum, I have recently rediscovered a childhood interest in the railways and plan to do two 14-day ALRs in June, but alas I don’t drink and I don’t plan to. My other interests include anime, manga, Hayao Miyazaki’s A Trip to Tynemouth, Anglo-Saxon England, and increasingly games from the late 1990s and early 2000s. I have lived my whole life in the historic boundaries (first Newcastle; and now coastal North Tyneside, to which I moved on the day of the 2017 general election) of Northumberland, for which I have much affection. The more Anglo-Saxonists and Miyazaki fans on this site, the better.
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2023 20:05:33 GMT
You maybe interested to know that in August I will be helping to excavate an Anglo-Saxon monastery
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Mar 6, 2023 20:19:20 GMT
It's actually very coherent. You should try reading the recent release on Labour's "5 Missions". Absolute word salad. It's utopian. To be on "the left" requires a big powerful state or, essentially wishful thinking. I can accept on the micro level elements of the libertarian left are viable. It simply isn't an ideology for running a country. It's internally inconsistent. I'd consider someone like Keir Starmer as lightly authoritarian as it is possible to be on the left. This isn't the right part of the forum to have a discussion on that topic, but if you are interested, create another thread and I'll be happy to explain my reasoning.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 6, 2023 20:21:17 GMT
You maybe interested to know that in August I will be helping to excavate an Anglo-Saxon monastery Excellent! Where?
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2023 20:30:22 GMT
You maybe interested to know that in August I will be helping to excavate an Anglo-Saxon monastery Excellent! Where? Cookham, Berkshire. Just along the river between Reading and Maidenhead. We've been on Digging for Britain and a couple of years ago I was interviewed by both BBC SE and ITV Meridian for their local news. *I should perhaps not: when I say "monastery", we have found the settlement activity and the cemetery or at least part of it. Personally I suspect the actual monastic building is under the Norman church, but I think what we've found is far more interesting anyway
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Post by aargauer on Mar 6, 2023 20:30:31 GMT
You maybe interested to know that in August I will be helping to excavate an Anglo-Saxon monastery The usual stains in the ground? Or did they actually build those out of stone?
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2023 20:33:16 GMT
You maybe interested to know that in August I will be helping to excavate an Anglo-Saxon monastery Stains in the ground? Or did they actually build those out of stone? Well, we have the remains of industrial activity, evidence of agriculture, at least part of the cemetery, a very substantial paved road (very rare from Anglo-Saxon England), and the outlines of wooden buildings. Monasteries were made out of stone and especially this one as it was very important, but like I say what we really have is the "monastic site" and I would bet good money that the monastery itself is under the modern (well, Norman) church
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Post by aargauer on Mar 6, 2023 20:59:31 GMT
Stains in the ground? Or did they actually build those out of stone? Well, we have the remains of industrial activity, evidence of agriculture, at least part of the cemetery, a very substantial paved road (very rare from Anglo-Saxon England), and the outlines of wooden buildings. Monasteries were made out of stone and especially this one as it was very important, but like I say what we really have is the "monastic site" and I would bet good money that the monastery itself is under the modern (well, Norman) church The whole lot including the monks accommodation, chapel, outbuildings (guessing it's too early for the usual cloisters etc)? Isn't there a good chance some would extend beyond the church's footprint? I guess even if it were - still likely to be on consecrated ground and thus a problem?
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 6, 2023 21:04:42 GMT
Cookham, Berkshire. Just along the river between Reading and Maidenhead. We've been on Digging for Britain and a couple of years ago I was interviewed by both BBC SE and ITV Meridian for their local news. *I should perhaps not: when I say "monastery", we have found the settlement activity and the cemetery or at least part of it. Personally I suspect the actual monastic building is under the Norman church, but I think what we've found is far more interesting anyway Presumably this one? Quite a rich area for AS graves IIRC. (Also reminds me that many years ago I used to drink fairly regularly in The Blackwood Arms at Littlebrook Common, not a million miles away)
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 6, 2023 22:22:14 GMT
You maybe interested to know that in August I will be helping to excavate an Anglo-Saxon monastery Regular updates please. Pretty please.
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2023 23:09:44 GMT
Well, we have the remains of industrial activity, evidence of agriculture, at least part of the cemetery, a very substantial paved road (very rare from Anglo-Saxon England), and the outlines of wooden buildings. Monasteries were made out of stone and especially this one as it was very important, but like I say what we really have is the "monastic site" and I would bet good money that the monastery itself is under the modern (well, Norman) church The whole lot including the monks accommodation, chapel, outbuildings (guessing it's too early for the usual cloisters etc)? Isn't there a good chance some would extend beyond the church's footprint? I guess even if it were - still likely to be on consecrated ground and thus a problem? The chapel definitely. The monks' accomodation, probably, almost certainly at least in part on a site like this. But as well as a later church being built over at least part of it, a lot of the stone may also have been robbed out either for that church or later buildings. But this will only be the third year at the site, and only the second year digging the full four weeks, so there are still a lot of unknowns
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2023 23:10:18 GMT
Cookham, Berkshire. Just along the river between Reading and Maidenhead. We've been on Digging for Britain and a couple of years ago I was interviewed by both BBC SE and ITV Meridian for their local news. *I should perhaps not: when I say "monastery", we have found the settlement activity and the cemetery or at least part of it. Personally I suspect the actual monastic building is under the Norman church, but I think what we've found is far more interesting anyway Presumably this one? Quite a rich area for AS graves IIRC. (Also reminds me that many years ago I used to drink fairly regularly in The Blackwood Arms at Littlebrook Common, not a million miles away) Yep. In fact you can see the top of my head in one of the aerial shots! I have a few more photos from the dig as well
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Post by European Lefty on Mar 6, 2023 23:11:28 GMT
You maybe interested to know that in August I will be helping to excavate an Anglo-Saxon monastery Regular updates please. Pretty please. Of course! I'm hoping to blag my way onto two other digs with the uni as well, one in Bosnia before Cookham and one in Iraq after it. I might have to start a thread!
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 7, 2023 0:10:23 GMT
Stains in the ground? Or did they actually build those out of stone? Well, we have the remains of industrial activity, evidence of agriculture, at least part of the cemetery, a very substantial paved road (very rare from Anglo-Saxon England), and the outlines of wooden buildings. Monasteries were made out of stone and especially this one as it was very important, but like I say what we really have is the "monastic site" and I would bet good money that the monastery itself is under the modern (well, Norman) church Anything after 1100 is modern.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 7, 2023 13:34:46 GMT
Regular updates please. Pretty please. Of course! I'm hoping to blag my way onto two other digs with the uni as well, one in Bosnia before Cookham and one in Iraq after it. I might have to start a thread! Bosnia, Iraq and Cookham. An interesting mix.
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