unrepentantfool
Independent
Internationalist, pro- EU left libertarian
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Post by unrepentantfool on May 10, 2022 3:03:05 GMT
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Post by hengog on May 11, 2022 18:03:21 GMT
Hello
Having had a disaster with my iPad I have had to rejoin- formerly ‘Hengo’ now’ Hengog’, but the same person!
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 3, 2022 10:29:48 GMT
Looks like someone with over 1k posts has deleted their account in the last 24 hours. EDIT: appears that it was @benjamin (not to be confused with sirbenjamin) who hasn't posted on here for a while, still a pity though. |
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Jun 5, 2022 22:06:09 GMT
Looks like someone with over 1k posts has deleted their account in the last 24 hours. EDIT: appears that it was @benjamin (not to be confused with sirbenjamin) who hasn't posted on here for a while, still a pity though. Oh that's a pity. I wonder why. |
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Chris from Brum
Lib Dem
What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" - Douglas Adams
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 5, 2022 22:44:23 GMT
Looks like someone with over 1k posts has deleted their account in the last 24 hours. EDIT: appears that it was @benjamin (not to be confused with sirbenjamin) who hasn't posted on here for a while, still a pity though. Deleted the account and all posts? I'm unconvinced that that should be permitted. |
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 6, 2022 8:44:49 GMT
No the posts are still there (that's how I found out who it was)
IIRC one of his final contributions was to say he wouldn't be posting much any more as he had got a "politically restricted" job.
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Chris from Brum
Lib Dem
What I need is a strong drink and a peer group" - Douglas Adams
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 6, 2022 8:46:26 GMT
No the posts are still there (that's how I found out who it was) IIRC one of his final contributions was to say he wouldn't be posting much any more as he had got a "politically restricted" job. Ah yes, I think I remember that too. Green, wasn't he? |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 6, 2022 15:32:49 GMT
No the posts are still there (that's how I found out who it was) IIRC one of his final contributions was to say he wouldn't be posting much any more as he had got a "politically restricted" job. Ah yes, I think I remember that too. Green, wasn't he? Yes. |
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Jun 6, 2022 20:09:58 GMT
Looks like someone with over 1k posts has deleted their account in the last 24 hours. EDIT: appears that it was @benjamin (not to be confused with sirbenjamin) who hasn't posted on here for a while, still a pity though. Deleted the account and all posts? I'm unconvinced that that should be permitted. I don't think people should be allowed to delete en bloc but I think it's a Proboards policy related to US (possibly California specific?) data protection laws. |
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Khunanup
Lib Dem
Portsmouth Liberal Democrats
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 6, 2022 22:11:05 GMT
Deleted the account and all posts? I'm unconvinced that that should be permitted. I don't think people should be allowed to delete en bloc but I think it's a Proboards policy related to US (possibly California specific?) data protection laws. It's under our law too, the right to be forgotten. In the end, your posts are your data so you have every right to delete them. |
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Post by boogieeck on Jun 7, 2022 10:47:31 GMT
It's under our law too, the right to be forgotten. In the end, your posts are your data so you have every right to delete them. But this post is my data. |
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 7, 2022 10:54:40 GMT
Yes, which is why it would remain even if the poster you were replying to deleted all their actual posts.
The really dodgy one, implemented a couple of times on here as well as by a prominent poster in the old place, is asking for all the threads you started - as well as your posts - to be zapped. As that involves the active suppression of what other people have written, without their consent.
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neilm
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Post by neilm on Jun 7, 2022 11:11:19 GMT
Yes, which is why it would remain even if the poster you were replying to deleted all their actual posts. The really dodgy one, implemented a couple of times on here as well as by a prominent poster in the old place, is asking for all the threads you started - as well as your posts - to be zapped. As that involves the active suppression of what other people have written, without their consent. This is probably where the Proboards policy comes in. Khunanup is quite correct that the right to be forgotten comes in as well, but the I think Californian legal position probably makes Proboards worry about being sued. No doubt the 'private prosecutor' that markgoodair is such a fan of would bring a case in California. |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 7, 2022 19:28:33 GMT
I don't think people should be allowed to delete en bloc but I think it's a Proboards policy related to US (possibly California specific?) data protection laws. It's under our law too, the right to be forgotten. In the end, your posts are your data so you have every right to delete them. You have the right to personally identifiable content to be removed. At least under my understanding that doesn't extent to the right to delete your entire posting history. |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 7, 2022 19:30:43 GMT
Yes, which is why it would remain even if the poster you were replying to deleted all their actual posts. The really dodgy one, implemented a couple of times on here as well as by a prominent poster in the old place, is asking for all the threads you started - as well as your posts - to be zapped. As that involves the active suppression of what other people have written, without their consent. Which would probably violate the first amendment. |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2022 0:15:03 GMT
It's under our law too, the right to be forgotten. In the end, your posts are your data so you have every right to delete them. You have the right to personally identifiable content to be removed. At least under my understanding that doesn't extent to the right to delete your entire posting history. Under GDPR you pretty much have exclusive rights of your own data, which includes posts etc, so requesting deletion is part of that right. Technically, the data controller could refuse unless you go through the formal process of right to erasure, but enabling easy deletion stops what could potentially be costly legal battles for mostly free to use websites where the owners maintain them for free. So deletion is going beyond what is necessary as an initial measure but is a way from avoiding formal action that is bureaucratic and could potentially include a lot more manual work by the data controller (deleting all quoted posts for example), let along potentially legal costs. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 8, 2022 6:05:15 GMT
You have the right to personally identifiable content to be removed. At least under my understanding that doesn't extent to the right to delete your entire posting history. Under GDPR you pretty much have exclusive rights of your own data, which includes posts etc, so requesting deletion is part of that right. Technically, the data controller could refuse unless you go through the formal process of right to erasure, but enabling easy deletion stops what could potentially be costly legal battles for mostly free to use websites where the owners maintain them for free. So deletion is going beyond what is necessary as an initial measure but is a way from avoiding formal action that is bureaucratic and could potentially include a lot more manual work by the data controller (deleting all quoted posts for example), let along potentially legal costs. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_RegulationBut for data to be personal data and thus fall under GDPR requires one to be identifiable. Plenty of people on here are not "identifiable" even if many are (at least on the face of it - let me know if I'm wrong). In practice, I agree, the easiest way to ensure compliance is to delete all posts. |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 8, 2022 9:07:51 GMT
Under GDPR you pretty much have exclusive rights of your own data, which includes posts etc, so requesting deletion is part of that right. Technically, the data controller could refuse unless you go through the formal process of right to erasure, but enabling easy deletion stops what could potentially be costly legal battles for mostly free to use websites where the owners maintain them for free. So deletion is going beyond what is necessary as an initial measure but is a way from avoiding formal action that is bureaucratic and could potentially include a lot more manual work by the data controller (deleting all quoted posts for example), let along potentially legal costs. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_RegulationBut for data to be personal data and thus fall under GDPR requires one to be identifiable. Plenty of people on here are not "identifiable" even if many are (at least on the face of it - let me know if I'm wrong). In practice, I agree, the easiest way to ensure compliance is to delete all posts. I think it's self defined as identifiable, and of course to the data controller it is via IP addresses etc. But that's the kind of avoidance of arguments about what is 'identifiable' that ability to delete all posts enables rather than going down a possibly costly legal route. More to the point, you know individually it's your data and so it should be under your control so, in my opinion, you should have control over it unless you have taken a conscious decision to relinquish that control which is where GDPR, nor any other law goes far enough. |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 8, 2022 9:46:24 GMT
Its a difficult issue to get right, and difficult for liberals in particular, with a balance of freedoms to be considered. On one hand, I understand the right of a 40 year old looking for a job to get rid of drunken photos of them aged 18. On the other hand, is there sufficient protection for people to be able to comment (in a non libelous way) on what others have done? In theory perhaps, but in practice if companies just turn to the delete button, its questionable. I broadly agree with the concept, but I think it needs slimming down rather than expanding. Doubtless there will be revisions in time with developing case law. I'm open to keeping it, amending it, or scrapping it depending on how it works out in practice.
It doesn't help that the understanding of this law is so poor. In another place I had a blazing row with someone who insisted I had to delete some (pretty innocuous comment) about them because they are an EU citizen, and the law applies in an extra-territorial fashion to them (living in Switzerland), which is plainly nonsense.
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