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Post by greenhert on Feb 27, 2017 22:33:50 GMT
The first debate, in which Wilders and Rutte were absent, took place yesterday. There was not much ideological diversity, with Sybrand Buma (CDA) representing the only right-wing party, but it was an interesting start. Jesse Klaver was clearly nervous but did relatively well, though he hasn't yet become the "King of the Left" and time is running out for him. Pechtold holding relatively similar views and being an extremely apt debater with much more experience certainly doesn't help Klaver here, but at the same time many people who are still with D66 are about to switch to GL and I expect the next debates to benefit Klaver. Asscher sounded very scripted and was weak, I cannot imagine that he convinced anybody. I thought Roemer was surprisingly strong, especially compared to his performances in 2012, but political journalists were more negative (can't help but think there is some pro-Klaver/Pechtold/"realistic left" bias involved here). High point here was that Roemer asked Klaver to rule out governing with the VVD, which Klaver refused to do. Buma was extremely aggressive, perhaps overly so, which was a welcome surprise since his speeches tends to be very dull. I think he may have caused some potential VVD voters who are not locked in yet to consider a CDA vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he hurt the VVD. Today Klaver said that he didn't like debating four other men and that the next government should have a 50/50 gender balance. (sigh)...it does not matter what gender the people you are debating with have-what matters is the quality of debate, whether those speeches came from the heart or corporate-style scripts, and what issues were discussed. When I was Green Party candidate for Hemel Hempstead in 2015 all the other five candidates were male but this did not matter to me at all even though they were also all more than double my age (I was 24 years old in 2015; the others were at least 50 years old). |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 28, 2017 7:35:45 GMT
Quite. You can't force anyone to stand for election and you can't force them to stand according to some kind of stratified sample.
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Post by mazuz on Feb 28, 2017 14:13:06 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 28, 2017 16:51:37 GMT
GL 3 seats down in today's Kantar poll. Some stellar numbers for D66. Hopefully the polls are overly optimistic about Denk. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 6, 2017 22:33:32 GMT
Hopefully the polls are overly optimistic about Denk. DENK might make this election historic: The first ImmigrationParty entering parliament. In few years/decades followed by other PR-countries with a higher threshold. Bad news for the left parties. |
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Post by iain on Mar 9, 2017 9:47:01 GMT
New poll this morning has PVV - 44% D66 - 19% Are you sure about that? The PVV have been consistently in the low to mid 20s (in seats) and on a downward trend recently. |
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Post by maxque on Mar 9, 2017 9:49:24 GMT
New poll this morning has PVV - 44% D66 - 19% Not % for sure, all NL polls are done in seats. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 9, 2017 10:45:16 GMT
New poll this morning has PVV - 44% D66 - 19% IT was an online poll not done like a professional poll (anybody could answer, not representative etc). |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 9, 2017 11:07:11 GMT
Voodoo poll alert!
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 9, 2017 16:59:44 GMT
Sorry guys. Saw it on the ever reliable Twatter on a Dutch link I couldn't read You are forgiven, sir. |
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Post by mazuz on Mar 9, 2017 20:17:59 GMT
New poll this morning has PVV - 44% D66 - 19% Haha, if only. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 14:31:45 GMT
"While Europe has been busy fretting about Russian meddling in its politics, a few Americans have been quietly doing their part to boost the continent’s far right. (...) Three American donors gave €141,668 ($150,430) to Dutch political parties between 2015 and 2017, according to campaign finance documents released this week by the Dutch interior ministry. Two of these donors funded the far-right Dutch Freedom Party."
"The largest donor by far was the David Horowitz Freedom Center, a California-based think tank run by right-wing activist David Horowitz, who has called Wilders “the Paul Revere of Europe.” The think tank’s aim is to combat “the efforts of the radical left and its Islamist allies to destroy American values.”
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Post by mazuz on Mar 10, 2017 15:44:07 GMT
No problem at all. Islamism and globalism are global movements. Nationalists should cooperate too. Not much "quiet" about it, by the way. We've known this for years.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 15:46:44 GMT
No problem at all. Islamism and globalism are global movements. Nationalists should cooperate too. Not much "quiet" about it, by the way. We've known this for years. Well, it was news to me (and I would assume most others on this forum). In general I agree that modern European nationalists usually have common goals (the downfall of the EU, the fight against Islam and prevention of non-European immigration), so it makes sense to cooperate. Border revisions aren't important to most modern European right wing populists, though some NatCons retain an emotional attachment to voluntary reunification with lost territories. The American right share most of their goals, so it makes sense for them to fund Western European right wing populists, and it can help keep out Russian influence. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 11, 2017 22:22:50 GMT
I wonder how well this work for Erdogan's obvious front party: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39242707The man is a disgrace. Clearly cheap accusations of fascism are his new, and ironic, modus operandi. Labelling the Dutch as Nazi remnants is going to cause utter fury. |
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Post by hedgehog on Mar 11, 2017 22:37:20 GMT
I wonder how well this work for Erdogan's obvious front party: www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39242707The man is a disgrace. Clearly cheap accusations of fascism are his new, and ironic, modus operandi. Labelling the Dutch as Nazi remnants is going to cause utter fury. Dutch far right rubbing their hands with glee right now with the Turkish situation. |
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Post by hedgehog on Mar 11, 2017 23:16:01 GMT
Reports of trouble outside Turkish consulate in Rotterdam tonight.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 12, 2017 8:01:52 GMT
Hurrah to Rutte et al for having the balls to stand up to Erdogan as he tries to drag the diaspora under his pseudo-Sultan embrace.
This is not just him trying to win votes outside Turkey, this is a blatant attempt to interfere in the Netherlands' affairs. It'll be Austria next.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 12, 2017 8:06:13 GMT
Nu.nl report that Kaya attempted to speak at Hengelo and Wehl, but that the owners of the local venues all refused to help.
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