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Post by neilm on Dec 30, 2017 16:00:28 GMT
I'm watching the BBC's 1994 Euro election coverage for the first time since its original broadcast, but I'm not sure whether it's okay to put it on YouTube. Probably not. They aren't Sky so go ahead. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 30, 2017 20:34:33 GMT
1988 Kensington by-election special:
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Post by greenhert on Dec 30, 2017 22:18:19 GMT
I'm watching the BBC's 1994 Euro election coverage for the first time since its original broadcast, but I'm not sure whether it's okay to put it on YouTube. Probably not. Could you give me a link to it please so I can see it as well? |
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Post by Andrew_S on Dec 31, 2017 21:49:45 GMT
By-election special: B'ham Northfield and Peckham, 29th October 1982.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 3, 2018 0:39:21 GMT
Fulham by-election special, 11th April 1986:
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Post by johnloony on Jan 4, 2018 10:01:23 GMT
1988 Kensington by-election special: It is a slightly sobering thought (reminding me of my age) that so many of these by-election programmes were at a time when I was already fully adult and aware of what was happening, but also include many people who are long dead. In the Croydon NW programme from 1981, it occurred to me that I have met, or seen in real life, all of the people on the panel (Robin Day, Cecil Parkinson, and Peter Shore), except of course David Penhaligon, and that they are all dead. In this one (Kensington) it is amusing that it was during the brief period, after the Liberal Party merged with the SDP, that there was slight confusion about the name. The new party called itself the "Social and Liberal Democrats" but explicitly stated that it wanted to be referred to, for short, as "The Democrats". The latter part of that decision was almost completely ignored by the media, who immediately started calling it the "Ess Ell Dee". Hence the decision a year later to change to "Liberal Democrats". At 16:00 (behind Cynthia Payne & David Sutch) is Stuart "Basil Fawlty" Hughes who later defected from the Official Monster Raving Loony Party to form the Raving Loony Green Giant People's Party, and was elected as a county councillor in Devon. At 16:30 is Huw Edwards speaking in Welsh. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 4, 2018 12:58:10 GMT
An idea for the BBC Parliament Channel would be for them to consider showing by-election specials in their spare time as well as general election replays.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 4, 2018 13:11:57 GMT
An idea for the BBC Parliament Channel would be for them to consider showing by-election specials in their spare time as well as general election replays. I've suggested that before. Although looking at what you've been uploading, it may be that the BBC archive does not actually have the whole programmes. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 4, 2018 16:13:47 GMT
An idea for the BBC Parliament Channel would be for them to consider showing by-election specials in their spare time as well as general election replays. I've suggested that before. Although looking at what you've been uploading, it may be that the BBC archive does not actually have the whole programmes. I thought they had complete recordings of every programme since about 1978 but maybe not. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 5, 2018 20:30:12 GMT
I've suggested that before. Although looking at what you've been uploading, it may be that the BBC archive does not actually have the whole programmes. I thought they had complete recordings of every programme since about 1978 but maybe not. Nope. I understand that there is some news footage since then that no longer exists (I'm sure I recall something about there being missing material from as recently as the 9/11 news coverage). Not to mention material that wasn't considered a programme (e.g. the live "broom cupboard" CBBC material between programmes from the 1980s and 1990s). 1978 was approximately when they stopped deliberately junking old recordings, but there are definitely examples of stuff that was never put into the archives dating from well after that point. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jan 5, 2018 21:24:13 GMT
There was also a clear out of some material in the early 1990s - amongst others a number of Rentaghosts were wiped (though recovered from a UK Gold sale).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 5, 2018 21:34:35 GMT
Junkings are still going on. The biggest recent loss was Noel Gay TV junking its old programmes, including much of the programming they made for BSB in 1990. This got tiny audiences at the time, but there were so much time to fill that they featured many up and coming performers. So the first TV appearances of many famous comedians have been lost.
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Post by swanarcadian on Jan 5, 2018 22:33:30 GMT
All this talk of wiped programmes reminds me of the occasion when David Croft made a televised appeal to locate the missing Dad's Army episodes in September 1998. The key is to find private individuals who might have recorded programmes on their VHS tapes that no-one else is able to watch any more.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 5, 2018 22:47:32 GMT
All this talk of wiped programmes reminds me of the occasion when David Croft made a televised appeal to locate the missing Dad's Army episodes in September 1998. The key is to find private individuals who might have recorded programmes on their VHS tapes that no-one else is able to watch any more. It's an odd cross between a Police 5 appeal "Did you or anyone you know..." and one of Ronnie Barker's lectures on the Two Ronnies "Send all the old episodes you have to me c/o The Midland Bank Neasden". I feel sure that i've seen an episode called "The Battle of Godfrey's Cottage" - did they re-make it? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 5, 2018 22:53:49 GMT
]It's an odd cross between a Police 5 appeal "Did you or anyone you know..." and one of Ronnie Barker's lectures on the Two Ronnies "Send all the old episodes you have to me c/o The Midland Bank Neasden". I feel sure that i've seen an episode called "The Battle of Godfrey's Cottage" - did they re-make it? 'The Battle of Godfrey's Cottage' was recovered in 2001 (along with 'Operation Kilt') - prints had been taken out of a skip and preserved by a private collector. Three episodes and two specials remain lost. Every December the highlights of the programmes recovered each year are shown at a special event called 'Missing Believed Wiped' at the BFI. I've been going for 20 years. This year included Pete Postlethwaite's TV debut, a complete episode of Cilla Black's show from 1968, and episodes from Till Death Us Do Part and Whack-O!. |
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Post by IceAgeComing on Jan 6, 2018 1:50:30 GMT
People stealing things from skips seems to be a very common way of recovering odd TV shows that were destroyed; there was at least one Doctor Who that was saved by someone doing that.
I understand why they might elect to not archive literally everything especially stuff like continuity - storage was still pretty expensive in the 80s and I don't think that they would have been keeping the tapes of live stuff like that - they'd have a copy for compliance stuff but it'd not be a master tape and they'd not keep that stuff since what's the point? Although there are some shows that were wiped that survive entirely because there's a VHS copy that the broadcasters randomly have for some reason.
e: Lots of the stuff that they're looking for wouldn't have been taped on VHS, its well before then and probably before even very early, expensive home video equipment was a thing. What they're looking for is film; the telerecordings of a show that were made by the BBC for overseas sales and because they wiped and reused tapes then because they were very expensive quickly became the only copies that survived; which is why a load of early colour shows are now Black and White since telerecordings were only made in B+W. They'd be sent to a station and go through a particular order of stations and at the end they either were meant to be destroyed or returned to London to be destroyed. That's why lots of Doctor Whos especially were found in Australia, they got to the end of the chain and rather than being wiped were stuck in a vault and forgotten about. There might be some stuff that was found because of actual home recordings rather than film collectors getting old cans of film: there's a Doctor Who where they combined the picture of the high quality B+W film with a very dodgy mid-70s American home colour tape which was very near the point of breaking in order to get a proper colour version; the DVD had a very interesting special feature on how they did it that I'm sure is on youtube.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jan 6, 2018 9:32:51 GMT
Actually Australia has been very poor for missing Doctor Who episodes - about one black & white one was found there plus four colour ones that otherwise only survived in black & white. Nigeria has been the best country for completely missing episodes and Canada for colour versions - it seems every single colour episode that went to Canada has been recovered from there.
(Australia was in fact very often the start of the international chain. International clearance usually required additional payments and these were invariably done by a big overseas buyer, with the ABC clearing nearly every 1960s episodes and the ones their censors rejected thus didn't get any international sales.)
Home video began in the 1960s and there are known recordings of material from at least as early as 1968. There's some material that's survived because of recordings, whether domestically or abroad - there's a couple of It Ain't Half Hot Mum episodes that only survive as off air recordings from Australia, including one of the most important episodes for the whole series.
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Post by msc on Jan 6, 2018 9:55:01 GMT
There's been a fascinating article series recently on the BBC about attempts to restore the earliest Morecambe and Wise episode known to exist. It was found in terrible condition in Nigeria, but the (groundbreaking) work might be able to produce telesnaps at worst from the reel, which is an improvement even on 5 years ago. I can understand why stuff like Doctor Who got junked, as much as it saddens me. Kids TV wasn't seen to be that important, and no one really foresaw VCRs and Netflix coming back then. Other things junked really bamboozle me, however, like the BBC coverage (and indeed, the ITV coverage) of the moon landings! You'd think that'd be a historical document worth preserving if The Celestial Toymaker episode 4 was! |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 6, 2018 17:53:58 GMT
Actually Australia has been very poor for missing Doctor Who episodes - about one black & white one was found there plus four colour ones that otherwise only survived in black & white. Nigeria has been the best country for completely missing episodes and Canada for colour versions - it seems every single colour episode that went to Canada has been recovered from there. (Australia was in fact very often the start of the international chain. International clearance usually required additional payments and these were invariably done by a big overseas buyer, with the ABC clearing nearly every 1960s episodes and the ones their censors rejected thus didn't get any international sales.) Home video began in the 1960s and there are known recordings of material from at least as early as 1968. There's some material that's survived because of recordings, whether domestically or abroad - there's a couple of It Ain't Half Hot Mum episodes that only survive as off air recordings from Australia, including one of the most important episodes for the whole series.which one was that? |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jan 6, 2018 19:03:58 GMT
Actually Australia has been very poor for missing Doctor Who episodes - about one black & white one was found there plus four colour ones that otherwise only survived in black & white. Nigeria has been the best country for completely missing episodes and Canada for colour versions - it seems every single colour episode that went to Canada has been recovered from there. (Australia was in fact very often the start of the international chain. International clearance usually required additional payments and these were invariably done by a big overseas buyer, with the ABC clearing nearly every 1960s episodes and the ones their censors rejected thus didn't get any international sales.) Home video began in the 1960s and there are known recordings of material from at least as early as 1968. There's some material that's survived because of recordings, whether domestically or abroad - there's a couple of It Ain't Half Hot Mum episodes that only survive as off air recordings from Australia, including one of the most important episodes for the whole series.which one was that? "It's a Wise Child" from the first season. It's the episode that reveals whether or not Sergeant Major Williams is Gunner Parkin's father. Williams's assumption that he is underpins a lot of the whole series. |
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