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Post by johnloony on Feb 24, 2023 22:53:45 GMT
The GLA elections next May will be going back to a paper count, and we will no longer get ward breakdowns. Why? The electronic counts of GLA elections were perfectly sound. No they weren’t. The fact that GLA election counts have always been done by scanning machines is, and has always been, an unacceptable abomination. I found it particularly offensive the first time round when the chief Returning Officer made the overtly ludicrous and offensive claim that a manual count, without machines, would take a week. He was never brought to account, or required to explain his reasoning for, such a preposterous claim.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 24, 2023 22:55:06 GMT
By that reasoning it was never necessary to count the constituency and list votes by ward previously. This seems like an act of spite, punishing the millions of ordinary, decent people who enjoyed analysing the ward breakdowns of GLA elections for two decades, for something they had no part in.
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Post by johnloony on Feb 24, 2023 22:55:37 GMT
Why? The electronic counts of GLA elections were perfectly sound. Because the optical vote reading was needed for the second preference calculation on the Mayoral vote, and the government has forcibly removed that and made it a first past the post election. That is another thing for which the optical scanning machines were certainly NOT needed. The Mayoral election counts should always have been done manually in the first place and throughout.
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Post by Clark on Mar 1, 2023 9:56:02 GMT
Has any one or any party been caught vote rigging in a UK election?
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Post by pl on Mar 1, 2023 10:03:03 GMT
Has any one or any party been caught vote rigging in a UK election? Yes. Plenty of examples of Postal Vote farming.
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Post by grahammurray on Mar 1, 2023 10:04:12 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 1, 2023 12:50:02 GMT
Has any one or any party been caught vote rigging in a UK election? Individual members (and sometimes groups of members) from most parties have at one time or another, but no party has been.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 1, 2023 13:00:07 GMT
Indeed. It is worth noting that the law does entirely concentrate on the individual candidates. After the 2007 local elections the Conservative candidate in Central ward of Slough was found to have secured their election through postal vote fraud. When the Electoral Commissioner avoided the election, he awarded costs against the Slough Conservative Association. However a subsequent appeal found that he had no right to do so: the powers of courts to make a costs order against a third party do not cover this situation.
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Post by batman on Mar 18, 2023 19:07:54 GMT
Sir Raymond Gower, who had been a Conservative MP for 38 years by that time, died of a heart attack in 1989 when canvassing in a by-election in the safe Labour seat of Pontypridd, which was held by Labour the next day. Has any other British politician ever died when campaigning in a different constituency, does anyone know?
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Post by batman on Mar 30, 2023 8:25:34 GMT
Something I'd welcome answers to & which I genuinely can't answer easily. Who would you say has been the highest-profile MP to lose their seat in every postwar general election? (High-profile could include someone who latterly achieved a higher profile, e.g. Michael Foot). It would not include someone who attempted to change seats altogether & then lost, e.g. Tony Crosland in 1955 or Norman Lamont in 1997.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 30, 2023 8:28:22 GMT
Something I'd welcome answers to & which I genuinely can't answer easily. Who would you say has been the highest-profile MP to lose their seat in every postwar general election? (High-profile could include someone who latterly achieved a higher profile, e.g. Michael Foot). It would not include someone who attempted to change seats altogether & then lost, e.g. Tony Crosland in 1955 or Norman Lamont in 1997. off the top of my head... for 1945 I'd go for Brendan Bracken or William Beveridge.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 30, 2023 8:33:16 GMT
1964: Patrick Gordon-Walker 1966: Henry Brooke? 1970: George Brown 1974(F): Gordon Campbell 1974(O): Either Dick Taverne or Eddie Milne 1979: Shirley Williams 1983: Tony Benn 1987: Roy Jenkins? 1992: Chris Patten 1997: Michael Portillo 2001: Difficult, possibly David Lock 2005: Oona King 2010: Jacqui Smith? Lembit Opik? 2015: Ed Balls
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Post by batman on Mar 30, 2023 8:49:56 GMT
Something I'd welcome answers to & which I genuinely can't answer easily. Who would you say has been the highest-profile MP to lose their seat in every postwar general election? (High-profile could include someone who latterly achieved a higher profile, e.g. Michael Foot). It would not include someone who attempted to change seats altogether & then lost, e.g. Tony Crosland in 1955 or Norman Lamont in 1997. off the top of my head... for 1945 I'd go for Brendan Bracken or William Beveridge. Harold Macmillan would be a very strong contender for that though, short though his absence from the House was
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Post by batman on Mar 30, 2023 8:50:44 GMT
1964: Patrick Gordon-Walker 1966: Henry Brooke? 1970: George Brown 1974(F): Gordon Campbell 1974(O): Either Dick Taverne or Eddie Milne 1979: Shirley Williams 1983: Tony Benn 1987: Roy Jenkins? 1992: Chris Patten 1997: Michael Portillo 2001: Difficult, possibly David Lock 2005: Oona King 2010: Jacqui Smith? Lembit Opik? 2015: Ed Balls thanks David. I was thinking Jeremy Thorpe in 1979 as well, that's a close-run thing. would agree about Roy Jenkins
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Post by r34t on Mar 30, 2023 8:51:13 GMT
Has any one or any party been caught vote rigging in a UK election? Individual members (and sometimes groups of members) from most parties have at one time or another, but no party has been. There was the legendary LibDem councillor for Lawrence Hill in Bristol, who was arrested for voter fraud. IIRC this was paying for personation. He then fled to Holland, & claimed political asylum. After his eventual voluntary return he was also charged with child porn stuff & was jailed.
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 30, 2023 15:04:45 GMT
For the two elections David Boothroyd missed: 2017: Nick Clegg 2019: Quite a few big names lost this year, but I'd say it's probably Dennis Skinner or Jo Swinson
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Post by batman on Mar 30, 2023 15:15:36 GMT
for me, 1950 is quite a difficult one. Although many MPs lost their seats (mostly Labour), not many stick out as particularly eminent. The same is true for 1951. Gwilym Lloyd George is a reasonably good bet for 1950, not sure anyone more prominent than his sister lost in 1951.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 30, 2023 15:22:35 GMT
Strong case for David Trimble in 2005 and Peter Robinson in 2010.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 30, 2023 15:25:17 GMT
For the two elections David Boothroyd missed: 2017: Nick Clegg 2019: Quite a few big names lost this year, but I'd say it's probably Dennis Skinner or Jo Swinson Skinner is a slightly odd case as by the time he lost a lot of people were surprised to find out that he had still been an MP, but if we're considering a whole career he would edge out Swinson despite being an eternal backbencher and she, briefly, being a party leader.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 30, 2023 15:27:58 GMT
for me, 1950 is quite a difficult one. Although many MPs lost their seats (mostly Labour), not many stick out as particularly eminent. The same is true for 1951. Gwilym Lloyd George is a reasonably good bet for 1950, not sure anyone more prominent than his sister lost in 1951. Arthur Creech Jones would be the obvious one for 1950, I suppose, unless we include some of the crypto-communists who lost as Independent Labour candidates. Certainly Zilliacus's campaign and defeat attracted a reasonable amount of attention.
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