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Post by batman on Mar 30, 2023 16:09:33 GMT
Gwilym Lloyd George did go on to become Home Secretary though.
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 30, 2023 16:14:00 GMT
for me, 1950 is quite a difficult one. Although many MPs lost their seats (mostly Labour), not many stick out as particularly eminent. The same is true for 1951. Gwilym Lloyd George is a reasonably good bet for 1950, not sure anyone more prominent than his sister lost in 1951. Arthur Creech Jones would be the obvious one for 1950, I suppose, unless we include some of the crypto-communists who lost as Independent Labour candidates. Certainly Zilliacus's campaign and defeat attracted a reasonable amount of attention. Creech Jones is certainly the only one to feature in the title of a poem by John Agard, "Roll Over your bones, Creech Jones".
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Post by johnloony on Mar 30, 2023 16:39:45 GMT
for me, 1950 is quite a difficult one. Although many MPs lost their seats (mostly Labour), not many stick out as particularly eminent. The same is true for 1951. Gwilym Lloyd George is a reasonably good bet for 1950, not sure anyone more prominent than his sister lost in 1951. I thought of Phil Piratin (Stepney) but I don’t suppose he’s the most famous.
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Post by 977249cp on Mar 30, 2023 19:55:14 GMT
Are there thirds elections in the Municipal Boroughs in May 2024?
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 30, 2023 20:25:42 GMT
Are there thirds elections in the Municipal Boroughs in May 2024? Yes. 2025 is the year off for thirds councils.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 30, 2023 20:27:17 GMT
Are there thirds elections in the Municipal Boroughs in May 2024? I assume you mean "Metropolitan Boroughs". The tern Municipal Borough went out of official use in 1974. 31 out of the 36 Metropolitan Boroughs have elections in 2024. Two of them appear to be all-out, so 29 will be thirds.
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Post by carolus on Mar 30, 2023 21:13:32 GMT
Are there thirds elections in the Municipal Boroughs in May 2024? I assume you mean "Metropolitan Boroughs". The tern Municipal Borough went out of official use in 1974. 31 out of the 36 Metropolitan Boroughs have elections in 2024. Two of them appear to be all-out, so 29 will be thirds. I think two of them (Liverpool and Wirral) are moving to a permanent all out election cycle, but several more will be all out as a one off due to boundary changes - Bolton, Oldham, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan and Wolverhampton.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 30, 2023 21:25:53 GMT
I assume you mean "Metropolitan Boroughs". The tern Municipal Borough went out of official use in 1974. 31 out of the 36 Metropolitan Boroughs have elections in 2024. Two of them appear to be all-out, so 29 will be thirds. I think two of them (Liverpool and Wirral) are moving to a permanent all out election cycle, but several more will be all out as a one off due to boundary changes - Bolton, Oldham, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan and Wolverhampton. The question is about 2024 not 2023. The two with all-out elections are Dudley (due to boundary changes) and Rotherham (all-outs on the 2024 cycle). The ones with no elections at all are Birmingham, Doncaster, Liverpool, St Helens, Wirral - which are all-out but on different cycles.
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Post by carolus on Mar 30, 2023 21:31:43 GMT
I think two of them (Liverpool and Wirral) are moving to a permanent all out election cycle, but several more will be all out as a one off due to boundary changes - Bolton, Oldham, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan and Wolverhampton. The question is about 2024 not 2023. The two with all-out elections are Dudley (due to boundary changes) and Rotherham (all-outs on the 2024 cycle). The ones with no elections at all are Birmingham, Doncaster, Liverpool, St Helens, Wirral - which are all-out but on different cycles. My error, and my apologies - I should have read more carefully!
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Post by YL on Mar 30, 2023 21:39:37 GMT
I think two of them (Liverpool and Wirral) are moving to a permanent all out election cycle, but several more will be all out as a one off due to boundary changes - Bolton, Oldham, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford, Wigan and Wolverhampton. The question is about 2024 not 2023. The two with all-out elections are Dudley (due to boundary changes) and Rotherham (all-outs on the 2024 cycle). The ones with no elections at all are Birmingham, Doncaster, Liverpool, St Helens, Wirral - which are all-out but on different cycles. I think North Tyneside is also meant to be all-out in 2024 due to boundary changes.
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Post by andrewp on Mar 30, 2023 22:21:24 GMT
There were 3 ( three more than usual) political questions in my pub quiz tonight
Who is the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party? ( we ( I) got that correct, 2 out of 8 teams got it correct)
What is the name of the MP who the standards committee have recommended should be suspended from the Commons for 30 days for breaching Covid rules? ( I got that correct, no other team did)
Which US president said ‘When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat’. ( we got that wrong, 3 other teams got it correct.
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Post by batman on Mar 31, 2023 8:36:30 GMT
for me, 1950 is quite a difficult one. Although many MPs lost their seats (mostly Labour), not many stick out as particularly eminent. The same is true for 1951. Gwilym Lloyd George is a reasonably good bet for 1950, not sure anyone more prominent than his sister lost in 1951. I thought of Phil Piratin (Stepney) but I don’t suppose he’s the most famous. he isn't, but he is the only MP ever to lose his seat & subsequently take me out for my (14th) birthday. My mother knew him quite well.
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Post by greenhert on Mar 31, 2023 8:48:13 GMT
1964: Patrick Gordon-Walker 1966: Henry Brooke? 1970: George Brown 1974(F): Gordon Campbell 1974(O): Either Dick Taverne or Eddie Milne 1979: Shirley Williams 1983: Tony Benn 1987: Roy Jenkins? 1992: Chris Patten 1997: Michael Portillo 2001: Difficult, possibly David Lock 2005: Oona King 2010: Jacqui Smith? Lembit Opik? 2015: Ed Balls 1966: Peter Thorneycroft's defeat was definitely higher profile, given that he was Chancellor of the Exchequer under Harold Macmillan for a year. 1974 (October): Dick Taverne was more prominent than Eddie Milne. 1987: I agree, although Alf Dubs' defeat was significant as well. 2001: Definitely David Lock, especially given the reasons for his defeat and that it was Richard Taylor who unseated him. 2010: Jacqui Smith, having been Home Secretary, was a much more significant defeat than Lembit Opik's.
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Post by batman on Mar 31, 2023 9:46:54 GMT
Patrick Nicholls was fairly high-profile after his speeding offence while a transport minister, you could argue that he was the highest-profile incumbent loser of 2001. Amongst non-incumbents probably it was Rifkind again. Portillo was very high-profile but to some extent the shock of the Labour gain in Southgate may have coloured answers to the question, as Rifkind was Foreign Secretary when he lost Edinburgh Pentlands; but his defeat was very widely expected unlike that of Portillo.
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Post by stb12 on Apr 2, 2023 19:00:01 GMT
Must be a reasonable case for Alex Salmond in 2017?
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Post by greatkingrat on Apr 2, 2023 19:04:00 GMT
Must be a reasonable case for Alex Salmond in 2017? He'd be 2nd on the list, but I don't think he can beat Clegg.
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Post by batman on Apr 8, 2023 7:48:29 GMT
Is Lord McCrea of the DUP in fact the only MP to lose his Westminster seat 3 times? (although it wasn't the same seat). It's sometimes said that he is.
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Post by greenhert on Apr 8, 2023 8:52:27 GMT
Is Lord McCrea of the DUP in fact the only MP to lose his Westminster seat 3 times? (although it wasn't the same seat). It's sometimes said that he is. Yes. And there have not been that many MPs who were unseated twice since 1950 either. One-time Labour leader Arthur Henderson was unseated as many as 4 times (1918, 1922, 1923, 1931)! Despite this, he returned to Parliament a 5th time, representing Clay Cross until his death in 1935.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 8, 2023 10:29:46 GMT
Arthur Henderson lost his seat four times - East Ham South in 1918, Widnes in 1922, Newcastle upon Tyne East in 1923, Burnley in 1931.
Losing your seat in three successive general elections must be a record.
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Post by carolus on Apr 8, 2023 10:57:50 GMT
Arthur Henderson lost his seat four times - East Ham South in 1918, Widnes in 1922, Newcastle upon Tyne East in 1923, Burnley in 1931. Losing your seat in three successive general elections must be a record. To lose one seat may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose four...
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