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Post by David Ashforth on Apr 20, 2020 12:44:12 GMT
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 20, 2020 16:31:40 GMT
Warwickshire 2017. C 36 Lab 10 LD 7 Grn 2 Whitnash Res Assoc 1 Stratford First Ind 1. New division boundaries. In putting this together it came to my attention that the result previously shown on LEAP for Warwickshire CC, Hartshill division in 2013 was actually the result of a 2014 by-election for that division. This has now been fixed.
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Post by ๐ดโโ ๏ธ Neath West ๐ดโโ ๏ธ on Apr 20, 2020 19:18:05 GMT
No, I have nothing better to do. Isle of Anglesey 2017. PC 14 (+2) Ind 13 (-1) Lab 2 (-1) LD 1. Changes based on 2013: Ind gain from Lab Caergybi (1) Ind gain from PC Bro Aberffraw (1) Lab gain from Ind Ynys Gybi (1) PC gain from Ind Aethwy (1) Lligwy (1) PC gain from Lab Seiriol (1) Split divisions in 2017 were: Caergybi: 2Ind/1Lab Lligwy: 1Ind/2PC Talybolion: 1Ind/2PC Twrcelyn: 1LD/2Ind Ynys Gybi: Ind/PC/Lab I hadn't realised Anglesey had becone so politically normal! Are many of the Indies Conservatives? If it's typical Wales, there will be at least three different types of Independent, all of whom hate one another's guts.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Apr 20, 2020 21:13:38 GMT
I hadn't realised Anglesey had becone so politically normal! Are many of the Indies Conservatives? If it's typical Wales, there will be at least three different types of Independent, all of whom hate one another's guts. Allow me to present the current partisan makeup of the Conwy CBC. Note the presence of 3 "Independent" groups, two of which are, funnily enough, currently cooperating on the (Conservative led) administrative coalition. A little history: Initially there was only one, the Independents, which included all councillors that were not a member of any of the parties. During most of the period of 2008-2017, the council was led by a coaltion of everyone but the Conservatives, with the leader coming from the Plaid Cymru group; but at some point in 2016 there was a bit of a tiff over cabinet appointments, that is to say someone took exception to the lack of women in the cabinet and a small group of councillors tried to initiate a vote of no confidence in the council leader. So, the independents duly split, with most of them closing ranks behind the council leader- that lot became the "Conwy First Independent Group", the rest retained the "Indepedents" label. Fast forward to 2019, this time with a new regime in charge, a coalition of the Independents, Conservatives, and three former Plaid Cymru councillors who ignored the national party's directive not to enter a coaltion with the Tories, the council leader this time was Gareth Jones, one of the former Plaid Cymru councillor and also previously an AM for the Conwy and Aberconwy constituencies in the Welsh Assembly. Jones himself was subject to no-confidence vote, this one being successful at ousting him, and he was replaced as council leader by a Conservative from Abergele. The new coalition arrangments are as mentioned above, with a third independent group, the "Allied Independents", which is comprised of Gareth Jones (who refused to re-join Plaid Cymru, presumably in a fit of pique), one of the former "Independents" (not Conwy First), and two former Conservatives (one of whom is Jones' ward colleague), and all formed this group after voicing distaste for the political shenanigans that led to this point. It of course all gets better when you realise one of the ringleaders behind Gareth Jones' ouster was a member of the Conwy First group whom Jones had pipped to the post of council leader, with said member now serving as deputy leader of the council (amongst other duties).
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Post by ๐ดโโ ๏ธ Neath West ๐ดโโ ๏ธ on Apr 20, 2020 21:39:29 GMT
If it's typical Wales, there will be at least three different types of Independent, all of whom hate one another's guts. Allow me to present the current partisan makeup of the Conwy CBC. Note the presence of 3 "Independent" groups, two of which are, funnily enough, currently cooperating on the (Conservative led) administrative coalition. A little history: Initially there was only one, the Independents, which included all councillors that were not a member of any of the parties. During most of the period of 2008-2017, the council was led by a coaltion of everyone but the Conservatives, with the leader coming from the Plaid Cymru group; but at some point in 2016 there was a bit of a tiff over cabinet appointments, that is to say someone took exception to the lack of women in the cabinet and a small group of councillors tried to initiate a vote of no confidence in the council leader. So, the independents duly split, with most of them closing ranks behind the council leader- that lot became the "Conwy First Independent Group", the rest retained the "Indepedents" label. Fast forward to 2019, this time with a new regime in charge, a coalition of the Independents, Conservatives, and three former Plaid Cymru councillors who ignored the national party's directive not to enter a coaltion with the Tories, the council leader this time was Gareth Jones, one of the former Plaid Cymru councillor and also previously an AM for the Conwy and Aberconwy constituencies in the Welsh Assembly. Jones himself was subject to no-confidence vote, this one being successful at ousting him, and he was replaced as council leader by a Conservative from Abergele. The new coalition arrangments are as mentioned above, with a third independent group, the "Allied Independents", which is comprised of Gareth Jones (who refused to re-join Plaid Cymru, presumably in a fit of pique), one of the former "Independents" (not Conwy First), and two former Conservatives (one of whom is Jones' ward colleague), and all formed this group after voicing distaste for the political shenanigans that led to this point. It of course all gets better when you realise one of the ringleaders behind Gareth Jones' ouster was a member of the Conwy First group whom Jones had pipped to the post of council leader, with said member now serving as deputy leader of the council (amongst other duties). All you now need is for someone to defect to Gwlad Gwlad...
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 21, 2020 0:45:12 GMT
If it's typical Wales, there will be at least three different types of Independent, all of whom hate one another's guts. Allow me to present the current partisan makeup of the Conwy CBC. Note the presence of 3 "Independent" groups, two of which are, funnily enough, currently cooperating on the (Conservative led) administrative coalition. A little history: Initially there was only one, the Independents, which included all councillors that were not a member of any of the parties. During most of the period of 2008-2017, the council was led by a coaltion of everyone but the Conservatives, with the leader coming from the Plaid Cymru group; but at some point in 2016 there was a bit of a tiff over cabinet appointments, that is to say someone took exception to the lack of women in the cabinet and a small group of councillors tried to initiate a vote of no confidence in the council leader. So, the independents duly split, with most of them closing ranks behind the council leader- that lot became the "Conwy First Independent Group", the rest retained the "Indepedents" label. Fast forward to 2019, this time with a new regime in charge, a coalition of the Independents, Conservatives, and three former Plaid Cymru councillors who ignored the national party's directive not to enter a coaltion with the Tories, the council leader this time was Gareth Jones, one of the former Plaid Cymru councillor and also previously an AM for the Conwy and Aberconwy constituencies in the Welsh Assembly. Jones himself was subject to no-confidence vote, this one being successful at ousting him, and he was replaced as council leader by a Conservative from Abergele. The new coalition arrangments are as mentioned above, with a third independent group, the "Allied Independents", which is comprised of Gareth Jones (who refused to re-join Plaid Cymru, presumably in a fit of pique), one of the former "Independents" (not Conwy First), and two former Conservatives (one of whom is Jones' ward colleague), and all formed this group after voicing distaste for the political shenanigans that led to this point. It of course all gets better when you realise one of the ringleaders behind Gareth Jones' ouster was a member of the Conwy First group whom Jones had pipped to the post of council leader, with said member now serving as deputy leader of the council (amongst other duties). And you lot thought Stoke was messed up 10 years ago! ๐
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 21, 2020 6:50:22 GMT
All of this infighting is small beer compared to what actually happened on Anglesey ten years ago. It got so bad that the Commissioners were sent in, the 2012 local elections were postponed by a year and a new division map was introduced specifically to try and sort out the political cuture.
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Post by johnloony on Apr 21, 2020 10:24:44 GMT
Colour of the eyes of state governors. Brown wins the Electoral College
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 21, 2020 11:20:40 GMT
Overall blue eyes have more states though, what are the estimates (if any) for eye colour amongst the US population?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 21, 2020 11:46:02 GMT
Colour of the eyes of state governors. Brown wins the Electoral College It's less random than one might expect.
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Post by ๐ดโโ ๏ธ Neath West ๐ดโโ ๏ธ on Apr 21, 2020 12:21:36 GMT
All of this infighting is small beer compared to what actually happened on Anglesey ten years ago. It got so bad that the Commissioners were sent in, the 2012 local elections were postponed by a year and a new division map was introduced specifically to try and sort out the political cuture. "Try to sort out the political culture" is a wonderful euphemism for making things as favourable as possible for Labour.
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Post by ๐ดโโ ๏ธ Neath West ๐ดโโ ๏ธ on Apr 21, 2020 12:23:56 GMT
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 21, 2020 12:42:42 GMT
All of this infighting is small beer compared to what actually happened on Anglesey ten years ago. It got so bad that the Commissioners were sent in, the 2012 local elections were postponed by a year and a new division map was introduced specifically to try and sort out the political cuture. "Try to sort out the political culture" is a wonderful euphemism for making things as favourable as possible for Labour. I was talking about Anglesey, not Stoke.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 21, 2020 12:47:33 GMT
Somerset 2017. C 35 (+6) LD 12 (-6) Lab 3 Ind 3 (+1) Grn 2 (+2) UKIP 0 (-3). Changes based on 2013: C gain from LD Blackdown and Neroche Brympton Chard South Frome North Martock Rowbarton and Staplegrove Taunton North Yeovil South C gain from UKIP Minehead Grn gain from LD Frome East Frome West Ind gain from LD Bishop's Hull and Taunton West LD gain from C North Petherton South Petherton and Islemoor Wells LD gain from UKIP Chard North Yeovil Central The only split division was Glastonbury and Street: C/LD
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Post by ๐ดโโ ๏ธ Neath West ๐ดโโ ๏ธ on Apr 21, 2020 16:23:35 GMT
"Try to sort out the political culture" is a wonderful euphemism for making things as favourable as possible for Labour. I was talking about Anglesey, not Stoke. So was I. The big multi-member FPTP wards were designed to advantage party machines and to disadvantage hyper-local independents. Of course it turned out to be a dummymander โ it succeeded in eliminating a pile of independents and both Conservative councillors at the initial elections in 2013, but the main beneficiaries were Plaid Cymru, with Labour amusingly failing to win all three seats in Holyhead despite having gerrymandered the rules.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 21, 2020 16:29:27 GMT
I was talking about Anglesey, not Stoke. So was I. The big multi-member FPTP wards were designed to advantage party machines and to disadvantage hyper-local independents. Of course it turned out to be a dummymander โ it succeeded in eliminating a pile of independents and both Conservative councillors at the initial elections in 2013, but the main beneficiaries were Plaid Cymru, with Labour amusingly failing to win all three seats in Holyhead despite having gerrymandered the rules. To be fair, the track record of the "hyper-local independents" was not a happy tale.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 21, 2020 16:38:48 GMT
A little history (of Conwy): Initially there was only one, the Independents, which included all councillors that were not a member of any of the parties. During most of the period of 2008-2017, the council was led by a coaltion of everyone but the Conservatives, with the leader coming from the Plaid Cymru group; but at some point in 2016 there was a bit of a tiff over cabinet appointments, that is to say someone took exception to the lack of women in the cabinet and a small group of councillors tried to initiate a vote of no confidence in the council leader. So, the independents duly split, with most of them closing ranks behind the council leader- that lot became the "Conwy First Independent Group", the rest retained the "Indepedents" label. Fast forward to 2019, this time with a new regime in charge, a coalition of the Independents, Conservatives, and three former Plaid Cymru councillors who ignored the national party's directive not to enter a coaltion with the Tories, the council leader this time was Gareth Jones, one of the former Plaid Cymru councillor and also previously an AM for the Conwy and Aberconwy constituencies in the Welsh Assembly. Jones himself was subject to no-confidence vote, this one being successful at ousting him, and he was replaced as council leader by a Conservative from Abergele. The new coalition arrangments are as mentioned above, with a third independent group, the "Allied Independents", which is comprised of Gareth Jones (who refused to re-join Plaid Cymru, presumably in a fit of pique), one of the former "Independents" (not Conwy First), and two former Conservatives (one of whom is Jones' ward colleague), and all formed this group after voicing distaste for the political shenanigans that led to this point. It of course all gets better when you realise one of the ringleaders behind Gareth Jones' ouster was a member of the Conwy First group whom Jones had pipped to the post of council leader, with said member now serving as deputy leader of the council (amongst other duties). The Welsh name of which group seems to be "Conwy's First" rather than "Conwy First", which seems reasonable given that only one of their members represents Conwy itself. (A good argument for not calling it Conwy Council in the first place)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 17:24:42 GMT
Allow me to present the current partisan makeup of the Conwy CBC. Note the presence of 3 "Independent" groups, two of which are, funnily enough, currently cooperating on the (Conservative led) administrative coalition. A little history: Initially there was only one, the Independents, which included all councillors that were not a member of any of the parties. During most of the period of 2008-2017, the council was led by a coaltion of everyone but the Conservatives, with the leader coming from the Plaid Cymru group; but at some point in 2016 there was a bit of a tiff over cabinet appointments, that is to say someone took exception to the lack of women in the cabinet and a small group of councillors tried to initiate a vote of no confidence in the council leader. So, the independents duly split, with most of them closing ranks behind the council leader- that lot became the "Conwy First Independent Group", the rest retained the "Indepedents" label. Fast forward to 2019, this time with a new regime in charge, a coalition of the Independents, Conservatives, and three former Plaid Cymru councillors who ignored the national party's directive not to enter a coaltion with the Tories, the council leader this time was Gareth Jones, one of the former Plaid Cymru councillor and also previously an AM for the Conwy and Aberconwy constituencies in the Welsh Assembly. Jones himself was subject to no-confidence vote, this one being successful at ousting him, and he was replaced as council leader by a Conservative from Abergele. The new coalition arrangments are as mentioned above, with a third independent group, the "Allied Independents", which is comprised of Gareth Jones (who refused to re-join Plaid Cymru, presumably in a fit of pique), one of the former "Independents" (not Conwy First), and two former Conservatives (one of whom is Jones' ward colleague), and all formed this group after voicing distaste for the political shenanigans that led to this point. It of course all gets better when you realise one of the ringleaders behind Gareth Jones' ouster was a member of the Conwy First group whom Jones had pipped to the post of council leader, with said member now serving as deputy leader of the council (amongst other duties). And you lot thought Stoke was messed up 10 years ago! ๐ In the entire history of this forum, Linders' version and this, there always seems to be a council or local authority that goes cuckoo-bananas. We should always adopt them as mascots.
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 21, 2020 18:39:20 GMT
All of this infighting is small beer compared to what actually happened on Anglesey ten years ago. It got so bad that the Commissioners were sent in, the 2012 local elections were postponed by a year and a new division map was introduced specifically to try and sort out the political cuture. "Try to sort out the political culture" is a wonderful euphemism for making things as favourable as possible for Labour. Absolute rot. Talk to anyone from the Island: the council back then was a disgrace, a really dismal and horrible institution. Describing it as a nest of vipers would have been defamatory to vipers.
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Post by ๐ดโโ ๏ธ Neath West ๐ดโโ ๏ธ on Apr 21, 2020 19:10:53 GMT
"Try to sort out the political culture" is a wonderful euphemism for making things as favourable as possible for Labour. Absolute rot. Talk to anyone from the Island: the council back then was a disgrace, a really dismal and horrible institution. Describing it as a nest of vipers would have been defamatory to vipers. The problem was the then chief exec Derrick Jones and his officers who were pretty much at war with the elected members. Welsh Labour โ ironically, the minister responsible was the late Carl Sargeant โ and the Wales Audit Office (yes, convicted image-maker Jeremy Colman's lot) took the agreed departure of Mr Jones as an opportunity to persecute poor council leader Phil Fowlie to an early grave, fairly transparently for successfully getting rid of one of their own. Anglesey was by no means the worst council in Wales, although it suffered then as now from over-mighty officers. Just ask Gwlad Gwlad's Dr Siรขn Caiach about that kindly lot down in Carmarthenshire. Or any number of sources about what Anthony O'Sullivan oversaw in Caerphilly. Or the Rhondda Cynon Taf and Neath Port Talbot disasters that amount to cannibalizing somewhere with good governance to pay for one of Labour's basket cases (Rhondda-Port Talbot as a bad council to contain the contagion would have been a much better idea). But none of those four awful councils had commissioners sent in, because Labour's instinct was to protect their own; but Anglesey, where things were at long last getting sorted, was made an example of with the full weight of Cardiff Bay nastiness.
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