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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 21, 2020 19:14:57 GMT
Hmm. That's pretty much the polar opposite of what I understand.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 21, 2020 21:09:29 GMT
Orkney 2017. Ind 15 (-3) Orkney Manifesto Group 2 (+2) Grn 1 (+1). Changes based on 2012: Grn gain from Ind East Mainland, South Ronaldsay and Burray (1) OMG gain from Ind Kirkwall West and Orphir (1) West Mainland (1) Stromness and South Isles was uncontested.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 21:15:05 GMT
Wonderful.
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 22, 2020 0:06:01 GMT
"Try to sort out the political culture" is a wonderful euphemism for making things as favourable as possible for Labour. I was talking about Anglesey, not Stoke. And if it was meant to make things more favourable to Labour in Stoke it failed miserably as since reorganisation, a reduction in councillors, and new Ward boundaries the City has been run by a City Independent/Conservative coalition which last year switched to a Conservative/City Independent coalition as, in what was clearly a preview of what was to come in December, the Conservatives became the largest group in the coalition thereby assuming the leadership of the council, although by 16-15 Labour remains the largest Party ahead of the Conservatives.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 22, 2020 7:11:35 GMT
I was talking about Anglesey, not Stoke. And if it was meant to make things more favourable to Labour in Stoke it failed miserably as since reorganisation, a reduction in councillors, and new Ward boundaries the City has been run by a City Independent/Conservative coalition which last year switched to a Conservative/City Independent coalition as, in what was clearly a preview of what was to come in December, the Conservatives became the largest group in the coalition thereby assuming the leadership of the council, although by 16-15 Labour remains the largest Party ahead of the Conservatives. The first reorganised election in Stoke was 2011, where Labour won a majority. It was 2015 when the coalition took over.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 22, 2020 13:29:16 GMT
Completing the 2017 county councils, farewell to Dorset 2017. C 32 LD 11 Grn 2 Lab 1. New division boundaries. The only split division was Bridport: LD/C
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 13:55:35 GMT
I imagine the larger out of North, West, and Central Sutherland and Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh must be the largest ward in the country. Even the smaller rural wards here must be comparable in size to England's largest. The use of multi-member wards seems bizzare here. Unless you had an ideological fixation on STV at all costs, it makes far more sense to have single-member wards here. It isn't quite as bad as "Ardrossan and Arran", but it isn't that far off. Has there been no consideration of the logistics of serving constituents in Ullapool, Kyle of Lochalsh, and Strathpeffer, or the sheer diversity of a seat extending from Ardgay to Durness? Don't confuse 'having a large area' with 'diverse'. In terms of demographics, politics, issues, and cases, North, West & Central Sutherland is one of the least diverse wards in the Highlands. It is also vastly over-represented in terms of its voters-to-councillor ratio. A return to single-member wards would be a massive backwards step for local democracy in Scotland and especially so in the Highlands. The problem with the Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh ward is actually the limit on ward sizes. It would have made much more sense for Strathpeffer, Contin, and Marybank to be in Dingwall & Seaforth ward, but that would have required it to have five members. (See the dilemma with the Badenoch & Strathspey ward of 2007-17). I imagine the larger out of North, West, and Central Sutherland and Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh must be the largest ward in the country. Even the smaller rural wards here must be comparable in size to England's largest. The use of multi-member wards seems bizzare here. Unless you had an ideological fixation on STV at all costs, it makes far more sense to have single-member wards here. It isn't quite as bad as "Ardrossan and Arran", but it isn't that far off. Has there been no consideration of the logistics of serving constituents in Ullapool, Kyle of Lochalsh, and Strathpeffer, or the sheer diversity of a seat extending from Ardgay to Durness? And STV with Indies makes managing a mammoth ward harder still. Three members under FPTP could divide the ward up between them - meaning each area would have someone focussing on it. That is exactly what happens in the rural wards: the councillors divide the communities between them and each focuses a group. Some choose to stick with that division for the five-year term, but most rotate around them every year.
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Post by pl on Apr 22, 2020 14:05:22 GMT
I imagine the larger out of North, West, and Central Sutherland and Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh must be the largest ward in the country. Even the smaller rural wards here must be comparable in size to England's largest. The use of multi-member wards seems bizzare here. Unless you had an ideological fixation on STV at all costs, it makes far more sense to have single-member wards here. It isn't quite as bad as "Ardrossan and Arran", but it isn't that far off. Has there been no consideration of the logistics of serving constituents in Ullapool, Kyle of Lochalsh, and Strathpeffer, or the sheer diversity of a seat extending from Ardgay to Durness? Don't confuse 'having a large area' with 'diverse'. In terms of demographics, politics, issues, and cases, North, West & Central Sutherland is one of the least diverse wards in the Highlands. It is also vastly over-represented in terms of its voters-to-councillor ratio. A return to single-member wards would be a massive backwards step for local democracy in Scotland and especially so in the Highlands. The problem with the Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh ward is actually the limit on ward sizes. It would have made much more sense for Strathpeffer, Contin, and Marybank to be in Dingwall & Seaforth ward, but that would have required it to have five members. (See the dilemma with the Badenoch & Strathspey ward of 2007-17). And STV with Indies makes managing a mammoth ward harder still. Three members under FPTP could divide the ward up between them - meaning each area would have someone focussing on it. That is exactly what happens in the rural wards: the councillors divide the communities between them and each focuses a group. Some choose to stick with that division for the five-year term, but most rotate around them every year. In a 3 member ward, with 3 parties represented, are you really telling me the councillors co-operate that well? Every split ward I've ever seen in England usually leads to the councillors trying to outdo each other! Why on Earth would a councillor cede ground to the opposition when they need to get elected in a couple of years. Better to have 3 councillors from the same party working as a team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2020 14:12:04 GMT
Don't confuse 'having a large area' with 'diverse'. In terms of demographics, politics, issues, and cases, North, West & Central Sutherland is one of the least diverse wards in the Highlands. It is also vastly over-represented in terms of its voters-to-councillor ratio. A return to single-member wards would be a massive backwards step for local democracy in Scotland and especially so in the Highlands. The problem with the Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh ward is actually the limit on ward sizes. It would have made much more sense for Strathpeffer, Contin, and Marybank to be in Dingwall & Seaforth ward, but that would have required it to have five members. (See the dilemma with the Badenoch & Strathspey ward of 2007-17). That is exactly what happens in the rural wards: the councillors divide the communities between them and each focuses a group. Some choose to stick with that division for the five-year term, but most rotate around them every year. In a 3 member ward, with 3 parties represented, are you really telling me the councillors co-operate that well? Every split ward I've ever seen in England usually leads to the councillors trying to outdo each other! Why on Earth would a councillor cede ground to the opposition when they need to get elected in a couple of years. Better to have 3 councillors working as a team. Obviously, the dynamics are different here as we have STV and all-out elections. In my experience, it depends on the personalities. I know some wards where all the councillors get on fine and work together well; I know some wards where the councillors hate each other and seem to revel in each other's failings. I would say the former far outnumbers the latter.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 22, 2020 14:20:13 GMT
Don't confuse 'having a large area' with 'diverse'. In terms of demographics, politics, issues, and cases, North, West & Central Sutherland is one of the least diverse wards in the Highlands. It is also vastly over-represented in terms of its voters-to-councillor ratio. A return to single-member wards would be a massive backwards step for local democracy in Scotland and especially so in the Highlands. The problem with the Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh ward is actually the limit on ward sizes. It would have made much more sense for Strathpeffer, Contin, and Marybank to be in Dingwall & Seaforth ward, but that would have required it to have five members. (See the dilemma with the Badenoch & Strathspey ward of 2007-17). That is exactly what happens in the rural wards: the councillors divide the communities between them and each focuses a group. Some choose to stick with that division for the five-year term, but most rotate around them every year. In a 3 member ward, with 3 parties represented, are you really telling me the councillors co-operate that well? Every split ward I've ever seen in England usually leads to the councillors trying to outdo each other! Why on Earth would a councillor cede ground to the opposition when they need to get elected in a couple of years. Better to have 3 councillors from the same party working as a team. In England the electoral system is different - it's winner-takes-all and only a very small shift in votes would be enough to change the representation in a split ward. The stakes are lower in the Scottish context because 20% or 25% of the vote will guarantee you one seat in a ward, whereas in England a party slate might poll 49% and win nothing.
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Post by afleitch on Apr 24, 2020 17:42:12 GMT
ElectoralCalculus has updated his data to up to date ward boundaries.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2020 17:50:22 GMT
ElectoralCalculus has updated his data to up to date ward boundaries. Excellent
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Post by bjornhattan on Apr 24, 2020 18:00:43 GMT
ElectoralCalculus has updated his data to up to date ward boundaries. You can toggle between them on his "Data Map". However, in some cases the ward boundaries haven't been updated - these are usually in cases where the boundary changes have taken place but there have been no elections since then. For example, there are new boundaries for Oxford, but these were due to have their first elections this year, but the map still shows the old boundaries.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 25, 2020 13:19:51 GMT
Fife 2017. SNP 29 Lab 24 C 15 LD 7. New ward boundaries.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 11:41:55 GMT
Fife 2017. SNP 29 Lab 24 C 15 LD 7. New ward boundaries. Am I correct in thinking Gordon Brown lives in the Tory one?
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Post by piperdave on Apr 26, 2020 18:43:04 GMT
Fife 2017. SNP 29 Lab 24 C 15 LD 7. New ward boundaries. Am I correct in thinking Gordon Brown lives in the Tory one? I believe he does. But while the Tories won the ward, it was as a result of a pretty split vote. They got 36.6% with the two SNP candidates marshalling 30.84%. Lesley Laird, former shadow Scottish secretary, got 16.8%.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 18:53:56 GMT
I imagine the larger out of North, West, and Central Sutherland and Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh must be the largest ward in the country. Even the smaller rural wards here must be comparable in size to England's largest. The use of multi-member wards seems bizzare here. Unless you had an ideological fixation on STV at all costs, it makes far more sense to have single-member wards here. It isn't quite as bad as "Ardrossan and Arran", but it isn't that far off. Has there been no consideration of the logistics of serving constituents in Ullapool, Kyle of Lochalsh, and Strathpeffer, or the sheer diversity of a seat extending from Ardgay to Durness? Don't confuse 'having a large area' with 'diverse'. In terms of demographics, politics, issues, and cases, North, West & Central Sutherland is one of the least diverse wards in the Highlands. It is also vastly over-represented in terms of its voters-to-councillor ratio. A return to single-member wards would be a massive backwards step for local democracy in Scotland and especially so in the Highlands. The problem with the Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh ward is actually the limit on ward sizes. It would have made much more sense for Strathpeffer, Contin, and Marybank to be in Dingwall & Seaforth ward, but that would have required it to have five members. (See the dilemma with the Badenoch & Strathspey ward of 2007-17). And STV with Indies makes managing a mammoth ward harder still. Three members under FPTP could divide the ward up between them - meaning each area would have someone focussing on it. That is exactly what happens in the rural wards: the councillors divide the communities between them and each focuses a group. Some choose to stick with that division for the five-year term, but most rotate around them every year. I live in North, West & Central Sutherland. I see little evidence of the councillors rotating the communities. We have never had a "local" Councillor and as such I think our community often feels highly overlooked.
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 26, 2020 22:48:33 GMT
Am I correct in thinking Gordon Brown lives in the Tory one? I believe he does. But while the Tories won the ward, it was as a result of a pretty split vote. They got 36.6% with the two SNP candidates marshalling 30.84%. Lesley Laird, former shadow Scottish secretary, got 16.8%. Future shadow Scottish secretary - this was May 2017, before she was an MP. Laird resigned from Fife council in 2018 and the Conservatives gained her seat in the resulting by-election. Runner-up in that by-election was the SNP's Neale Hanvey, who would go on to defeat Laird in the 2019 general election.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Apr 27, 2020 7:51:35 GMT
Fife 2017. SNP 29 Lab 24 C 15 LD 7. New ward boundaries. Am I correct in thinking Gordon Brown lives in the Tory one? Yes. Or he certainly did- he lived in North Queensferry, at the southern tip of the ward.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 10:50:22 GMT
Don't confuse 'having a large area' with 'diverse'. In terms of demographics, politics, issues, and cases, North, West & Central Sutherland is one of the least diverse wards in the Highlands. It is also vastly over-represented in terms of its voters-to-councillor ratio. A return to single-member wards would be a massive backwards step for local democracy in Scotland and especially so in the Highlands. The problem with the Wester Ross, Strathpeffer & Lochalsh ward is actually the limit on ward sizes. It would have made much more sense for Strathpeffer, Contin, and Marybank to be in Dingwall & Seaforth ward, but that would have required it to have five members. (See the dilemma with the Badenoch & Strathspey ward of 2007-17). That is exactly what happens in the rural wards: the councillors divide the communities between them and each focuses a group. Some choose to stick with that division for the five-year term, but most rotate around them every year. I live in North, West & Central Sutherland. I see little evidence of the councillors rotating the communities. We have never had a "local" Councillor and as such I think our community often feels highly overlooked. That's because some councillors seem to think that all they need to do to be a 'local councillor' is attend community council meetings. And that has nothing to do with the size of wards or the electoral system used; that is a symptom of a different problem.
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