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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 28, 2016 22:33:18 GMT
LAB hold in Harringay, Haringey
Harringay (Haringey) result:
LAB: 46.2% (+3.7)
LDEM: 33.6% (+3.7)
GRN: 14.3% (-2.3)
CON: 4.3% (-1.2)
UKIP: 1.6% (+1.6)
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Post by maxque on Jul 28, 2016 22:34:28 GMT
Lab HOLD in Harringay
Lab 1054 (46.2%; +3.7)
LD 765 (33.6%; +3.8)
Grn 325 (14.3%; -2.3)
Con 99 (4.3%; -1.2)
UKIP 36 (1.6%)
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Post by maxque on Jul 28, 2016 22:37:57 GMT
LD HOLD in Carshalton Central, Sutton.
LD 1250 (43.4%; +5.1)
Con 1061 (36.9%; +11.6)
Grn 211 (7.3%; -0.3)
Lab 176 (6.1%; -3.1)
UKIP 150 (5.2%; -10.5)
CPA 29 (1.0%; -1.1)
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 28, 2016 22:50:18 GMT
Lab HOLD in Harringay Lab 1054 (46.2%; +3.7) LD 765 (33.6%; +3.8) Grn 325 (14.3%; -2.3) Con 99 (4.3%; -1.2) UKIP 36 (1.6%) Standstill result effectively. Haringey (and Harringay) Greens still failing to make an impact in a ward which should be really good for them. (This is not a dig, merely a local observation). |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 28, 2016 23:13:43 GMT
LD GAIN Newlyn and Goonhavern
Newlyn & Goonhavern result:
LDEM: 24.4% (+24.4)
CON: 23.1% (-23.0)
IND: 16.1% (+16.1)
MK: 15.9% (-28.1)
LAB: 7.6% (-2.2)
IND: 7.4%
IND: 5.3%
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 28, 2016 23:14:06 GMT
CORNWALL Newlyn and Goonhavern
Maggie Vale (Liberal Democrat) 247
Paul Charlesworth (The Conservative Party Candidate) 234
Kenneth Yeo (Independent) 163
Rod Toms (Mebyon Kernow - The Party For Cornwall) 161
Vicky Crowther (Labour Party) 77
James Tucker (Independent) 75
Rob Thomas (Independent) 54
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 0:11:35 GMT
Terrible result for Rod Toms, who was only 26 votes behind in 2013. Good for the Lib Dems on very low share of the vote, but winning is everything! Ken Yep, the third-placed Independent, was the Lid Dem candidate in 2013.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jul 29, 2016 0:17:16 GMT
LAB hold in Harringay, Haringey Harringay (Haringey) result: LAB: 46.2% (+3.7) LDEM: 33.6% (+3.7) GRN: 14.3% (-2.3) CON: 4.3% (-1.2) UKIP: 1.6% (+1.6) In an alternate universe there must be a council called Harringay with a Haringey ward. |
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Post by maxque on Jul 29, 2016 4:38:12 GMT
Conservative HOLD in Droitwich West, Wychavon.
Candidate describe his majority as "confortable".
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jul 29, 2016 6:52:28 GMT
Conservative HOLD in Droitwich West, Wychavon. Candidate describe his majority as "comfortable". I used to live in Droitwich West ward, in the mid 1980s. It was safe Labour then. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 29, 2016 7:03:11 GMT
Lab HOLD in Harringay Lab 1054 (46.2%; +3.7) LD 765 (33.6%; +3.8) Grn 325 (14.3%; -2.3) Con 99 (4.3%; -1.2) UKIP 36 (1.6%) Standstill result effectively. Haringey (and Harringay) Greens still failing to make an impact in a ward which should be really good for them. (This is not a dig, merely a local observation). I am puzzled by the performance of the Green party generally in these bye-election and indeed just generally. My own party seems to have had a bit of a fillip from the Referendum, reminding us of what we care about and perhaps also encouraged by disarray in Labour and blood-letting amongst the Tories. I'd expect a similar response from the Greens but it doesn't seem to have happened. Look at the Totnes result - for all the hoo-hah about Labour, the independent got a creditable vote share similar to that of Labour in previous election - the real story there was that we actually managed to find a candidate. But really the Greens should surely have been favourites there. In the Harringay case, despite Labour's dreadful national poll ratings, Labour's vote share went up but the Greens' went down. I wonder if they are suffering from supporters attracted by Corbyn in this case? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2016 7:16:07 GMT
Standstill result effectively. Haringey (and Harringay) Greens still failing to make an impact in a ward which should be really good for them. (This is not a dig, merely a local observation). I am puzzled by the performance of the Green party generally in these bye-election and indeed just generally. My own party seems to have had a bit of a fillip from the Referendum, reminding us of what we care about and perhaps also encouraged by disarray in Labour and blood-letting amongst the Tories. I'd expect a similar response from the Greens but it doesn't seem to have happened. Look at the Totnes result - for all the hoo-hah about Labour, the independent got a creditable vote share similar to that of Labour in previous election - the real story there was that we actually managed to find a candidate. But really the Greens should surely have been favourites there. In the Harringay case, despite Labour's dreadful national poll ratings, Labour's vote share went up but the Greens' went down. I wonder if they are suffering from supporters attracted by Corbyn in this case? If you look at the Town Council result all 3 Green Party candidates got elected. Now this is just my view but I feel presently the Green Party is much like the home town team who play in a league a few tiers down from the Premier or Championship club you truly support. So folks follow them and wish them well, and think it is great to have grass roots. but go back to the big teams when the big events happen. the Lib Dems lost a lot of voters after making a pact with devil namely the Conservatives. On top of that Clegg had to go back on his top pledge of student loans. Thus it looked as not only signed a pact but danced naked with the tories whilst sipping from the chalice which was filled with the virgin blood of poor students. It is over a year since the Lib Dems got a kicking and now only just coming back from rehab they are gaining back the support they lost. Now in the Lib Dems interest it would be interesting to see whether or not the Lib Dems are gaining seats as they are taking voters from other parties like the Conservatives or Labour. Or is that they are getting their own supporters back who left them in 2015 and the other 2 parties are losing even more support and so Lib Dems are winning by holding firm whilst the others collapse in certain areas. With the Greens and it is the first thing they have to tackle, it is a winning here mentality. They could have had 2 MPs now if the folks of Bristol had voted the same way as they did in the council elections as they did for parliament. Folks do have a want to back the winner though, so once the greens are seen as winners or have a chance of winning then that is when folks will come on board. I particularly like to see the crowdfunded element of how the party works, it shows it to be more open, and NOT the whiff of the Northampton Souths about it. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jul 29, 2016 7:40:54 GMT
I am puzzled by the performance of the Green party generally in these bye-election and indeed just generally. My own party seems to have had a bit of a fillip from the Referendum, reminding us of what we care about and perhaps also encouraged by disarray in Labour and blood-letting amongst the Tories. I'd expect a similar response from the Greens but it doesn't seem to have happened. Look at the Totnes result - for all the hoo-hah about Labour, the independent got a creditable vote share similar to that of Labour in previous election - the real story there was that we actually managed to find a candidate. But really the Greens should surely have been favourites there. In the Harringay case, despite Labour's dreadful national poll ratings, Labour's vote share went up but the Greens' went down. I wonder if they are suffering from supporters attracted by Corbyn in this case? If you look at the Town Council result all 3 Green Party candidates got elected. Now this is just my view but I feel presently the Green Party is much like the home town team who play in a league a few tiers down from the Premier or Championship club you truly support. So folks follow them and wish them well, and think it is great to have grass roots. but go back to the big teams when the big events happen. the Lib Dems lost a lot of voters after making a pact with devil namely the Conservatives. On top of that Clegg had to go back on his top pledge of student loans. Thus it looked as not only signed a pact but danced naked with the tories whilst sipping from the chalice which was filled with the virgin blood of poor students. It is over a year since the Lib Dems got a kicking and now only just coming back from rehab they are gaining back the support they lost. Now in the Lib Dems interest it would be interesting to see whether or not the Lib Dems are gaining seats as they are taking voters from other parties like the Conservatives or Labour. Or is that they are getting their own supporters back who left them in 2015 and the other 2 parties are losing even more support and so Lib Dems are winning by holding firm whilst the others collapse in certain areas. With the Greens and it is the first thing they have to tackle, it is a winning here mentality. They could have had 2 MPs now if the folks of Bristol had voted the same way as they did in the council elections as they did for parliament. Folks do have a want to back the winner though, so once the greens are seen as winners or have a chance of winning then that is when folks will come on board. I particularly like to see the crowdfunded element of how the party works, it shows it to be more open, and NOT the whiff of the Northampton Souths about it. I think there's a lot in that. (Your point about the Town Council, which I'd forgotten, merely reinforces my feeling that the DC ward should have been a target.) I joined the LDs after May 15 because I feared the party I generally, rather limply, supported might simply disappear. If it had, I'd have undoubtedly gone Green. In Stroud we have a Green Town Council (who I vote for) and 6 Green District councillors compared to 2 LDs and I think 17 Labour. The LDs are in a ward which is not in the parliamentary constituency - God knows what we'll end up with after the Review of course. The Labour PPC in 2015 was the highly respected former MP who has now retired from politics. The situation looks wide open for a serious Green punt at the next GE if they can get a good candidate - Molly Scott Cato is an ex-councillor and while she doesn't exactly fire me with enthusiasm she's about as high profile as you get with the Green Party. Personally I'd seriously consider a tactical Green vote if I thought they were in with a chance, but they just don't seem to have got their act together on this locally or nationally. I suspect that we will have a better PPC when it comes to it. Much will depend on boundary changes and performances in the County Elections next year. |
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Post by mboy on Jul 29, 2016 7:41:59 GMT
During the coalition, the Lib Dems lost the progressive protest vote to the Green Party and the populist protest vote to UKIP. Labour lost the Stop the War vote to the Green Party. The progressive protest vote is now coming back to the Lib Dems, and Corbyn is getting back the Stop the War vote, although UKIP will keep the populist protest vote forever now.
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 29, 2016 8:06:09 GMT
Lab HOLD in Harringay Lab 1054 (46.2%; +3.7) LD 765 (33.6%; +3.8) Grn 325 (14.3%; -2.3) Con 99 (4.3%; -1.2) UKIP 36 (1.6%) Standstill result effectively. Haringey (and Harringay) Greens still failing to make an impact in a ward which should be really good for them. (This is not a dig, merely a local observation). I'm not sure why you think this ward should be good for the Greens. I used to be a Housing officer for a patch which included the ladder, and trendy Hornsey, Crouch End or Muswell Hill it isn't, nor is it the traditional working class of Tottenham. It was a very ordinary slice of 100 year old terraced housing, with a good mix of owner occupation, private trenting and social renting - and rather more of the latter than non-Londoners might expect from a visual inspection. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 29, 2016 8:08:17 GMT
During the coalition, the Lib Dems lost the progressive protest vote to the Green Party and the populist protest vote to UKIP. Labour lost the Stop the War vote to the Green Party. The progressive protest vote is now coming back to the Lib Dems, and Corbyn is getting back the Stop the War vote, although UKIP will keep the populist protest vote forever now. Except in Chelmsley Wood it seems. |
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Post by marksenior on Jul 29, 2016 8:54:55 GMT
Terrible result for Rod Toms, who was only 26 votes behind in 2013. Good for the Lib Dems on very low share of the vote, but winning is everything! Ken Yep, the third-placed Independent, was the Lid Dem candidate in 2013. There was no Lib Dem candidate in 2013 !!!!!! He was the Lib Dem candidate in 2009 |
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Post by marksenior on Jul 29, 2016 9:00:13 GMT
Wychavon result
Con 281
Lab 161
UKIP 132
LDem 97
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 29, 2016 9:08:09 GMT
Standstill result effectively. Haringey (and Harringay) Greens still failing to make an impact in a ward which should be really good for them. (This is not a dig, merely a local observation). I'm not sure why you think this ward should be good for the Greens. I used to be a Housing officer for a patch which included the ladder, and trendy Hornsey, Crouch End or Muswell Hill it isn't, nor is it the traditional working class of Tottenham. It was a very ordinary slice of 100 year old terraced housing, with a good mix of owner occupation, private trenting and social renting - and rather more of the latter than non-Londoners might expect from a visual inspection. John, Well I live next door to it and have done so for twenty five years, and although it certainly isn't Muswell Hill, the ladder and Green Lanes are now trendy and upwardly mobile in a way they certainly weren't when I arrived in the borough. Indeed given the number of young metro professionals it should be a better ward for the Greens than the ones you mention. If the Lib Dems can make progress in it to the extent of winning councillors then the Greens should certainly be able to do so. More and more of the privately rented HMOs are being sold off and converted back into family houses and / or upmarket flats. This is happening in my ward (Noel Park) too, all along Turnpike Lane and Hornsey Park Road. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 29, 2016 10:40:46 GMT
Sorry about three Twitter links but it says it better than I can. This account of things has been challenged by Deej Sullivan, a local who helped the not-Labour Independent's campaign. Their piece is now up on politics.co.uk and is at least worth a read. |
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