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Post by maxque on Jul 2, 2016 0:13:30 GMT
The UKIP majority over Labour is 14.
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Post by cefin on Jul 2, 2016 0:22:24 GMT
Impressive showing from the Pirate Party there. A bit too far inland for them really. Rhoose is right on the coast it should be a pirate party stronghold by rights. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jul 2, 2016 7:46:58 GMT
Impressive showing from the Pirate Party there. If we could get 16% of the Lib Dem vote everywhere in the country then I'd take that... ;-) Genuine question though - as a (very) minor party are you better off putting up paper candidates where you can, or just not bothering? There's an element of getting the name out to voters by being on the ballot paper (even if they don't vote for you) given the relatively minimal effort to stand but equally it's a bit disheartening... At least 99% of the time, you're better off standing a candidate. You'll get more votes if you do stand than if you don't, and it does make you look more serious as a party. Plus, the more you stand candidates, the better you get at doing the associated administration, and you might accidentally stumble on a ward which you hadn't realised had a decent "natural" vote for your party. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 2, 2016 7:54:46 GMT
If we could get 16% of the Lib Dem vote everywhere in the country then I'd take that... ;-) Genuine question though - as a (very) minor party are you better off putting up paper candidates where you can, or just not bothering? There's an element of getting the name out to voters by being on the ballot paper (even if they don't vote for you) given the relatively minimal effort to stand but equally it's a bit disheartening... At least 99% of the time, you're better off standing a candidate. You'll get more votes if you do stand than if you don't, and it does make you look more serious as a party. Plus, the more you stand candidates, the better you get at doing the associated administration, and you might accidentally stumble on a ward which you hadn't realised had a decent "natural" vote for your party. Thanks for sharing that closely guarded hidden insight "...You'll get more votes if you stand than if you don't..." I hadn't realized that, so thanks. |
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Post by froome on Jul 2, 2016 8:05:32 GMT
Impressive showing from the Pirate Party there. If we could get 16% of the Lib Dem vote everywhere in the country then I'd take that... ;-) Genuine question though - as a (very) minor party are you better off putting up paper candidates where you can, or just not bothering? There's an element of getting the name out to voters by being on the ballot paper (even if they don't vote for you) given the relatively minimal effort to stand but equally it's a bit disheartening... All minor parties have to go through this conundrum. As greenchristian says, you need to stand candidates to gain any credibility, but deciding when you do that is probably the crucial question. Standing candidates in somewhere where you have no known support (apart from your one candidate) and end up getting just a handful of votes is probably going to mean you end up with one less active member, as the candidate will be totally disheartened. I would suggest you choose your elections carefully and make a determined effort for the ones you choose, so that at least the electorate in those know why you are standing and you don't just become the vestibule for the disaffected. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 2, 2016 9:01:38 GMT
At least 99% of the time, you're better off standing a candidate. You'll get more votes if you do stand than if you don't, and it does make you look more serious as a party. Plus, the more you stand candidates, the better you get at doing the associated administration, and you might accidentally stumble on a ward which you hadn't realised had a decent "natural" vote for your party. Thanks for sharing that closely guarded hidden insight "...You'll get more votes if you stand than if you don't..." I hadn't realized that, so thanks. I can think of a few people to whom that might not apply...  |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 2, 2016 9:06:00 GMT
Thanks for sharing that closely guarded hidden insight "...You'll get more votes if you stand than if you don't..." I hadn't realized that, so thanks. I can think of a few people to whom that might not apply... No you can't! Think about it? |
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Post by peterl on Jul 2, 2016 9:07:09 GMT
The Pirate Party might attract more attention if they dressed up a pirates when they went canvassing and at the count, maybe even rowed up and down the coast with a skull and crossbones flying. People may think you are a joke party, but at least joke parties usually get more than 4 votes.  |
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Post by peterl on Jul 2, 2016 9:10:20 GMT
On a more serious note, the full result for Thanet is
UKIP 295
Labour 281
Conservative 125
Lib Dem 33
Turnout 20%
UKIP HOLD
(Source: Thanet DC on Twitter)
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 2, 2016 9:12:28 GMT
I can think of a few people to whom that might not apply... No you can't! Think about it? Surely we can both think of people capable of getting zero votes if they stood, which would be the same number they got if they didn't stand. |
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 2, 2016 9:15:58 GMT
No you can't! Think about it? Surely we can both think of people capable of getting zero votes if they stood, which would be the same number they got if they didn't stand. I know that has happened but surely from total anonymity rather than universal repulsion? The horrid always seem to have an element of support? |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 2, 2016 10:32:56 GMT
On a more serious note, the full result for Thanet is UKIP 295 Labour 281 Conservative 125 Lib Dem 33 Turnout 20% UKIP HOLD (Source: Thanet DC on Twitter) Its the LibDems wot won it for UKIP? |
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Post by markgoodair on Jul 2, 2016 12:30:43 GMT
The Liberal Democrat vote increased by 175% since January.
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Post by peterl on Jul 2, 2016 13:24:20 GMT
That would make a good barchart.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 2, 2016 15:52:15 GMT
The Pirate Party might attract more attention if they dressed up a pirates when they went canvassing and at the count, maybe even rowed up and down the coast with a skull and crossbones flying. People may think you are a joke party, but at least joke parties usually get more than 4 votes. I was at a Sainsbury's today - a couple came in wearing pirate hats. I wondered if they were associate members of the PP. |
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Post by hedgehog on Jul 2, 2016 20:07:22 GMT
Impressive showing from the Pirate Party there. If we could get 16% of the Lib Dem vote everywhere in the country then I'd take that... ;-) Genuine question though - as a (very) minor party are you better off putting up paper candidates where you can, or just not bothering? There's an element of getting the name out to voters by being on the ballot paper (even if they don't vote for you) given the relatively minimal effort to stand but equally it's a bit disheartening... Did you get a descent write up in the local Paper, in the run up to the election, as you said this was a paper candidate, who I guess didn't do much canvassing, did people know what you were standing for, probably any press coverage will benefit your party. |
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Post by middleenglander on Jul 2, 2016 20:23:32 GMT
Thanet, Newington - UKIP hold | Party | 2016 B2 votes | 2016 B1 share | since 2016 B1 | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | | UKIP | 295 | 40.2% | +10.2% | -4.0% | -3.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | Labour | 281 | 38.3% | +0.6% | +1.9% | +1.6% | -27.3% | -27.8% | Conservative | 125 | 17.0% | -3.4% | -2.5% | -2.2% | -17.4% | -16.9% | Liberal Democrat | 33 | 4.5% | +2.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Independent |
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| Total votes | 734 |
| 96% | 37% | 37% | 68% | 69% |
Swing Labour to UKIP 4.8% since January 2016 by-election but UKIP to Labour ~3% since 2015 Council now 27 UKIP, 18 Conservative, 5 Labour, 2 Democratic Independent, 2 Independent, 2 Vacant
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Post by tomc on Jul 2, 2016 22:44:11 GMT
Thanet, Newington - result awaited | Party | 2016 B2 votes | 2016 B1 share | since 2016 B1 | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | | UKIP | 295 | 40.2% | +10.2% | -4.0% | -3.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | Labour | 281 | 38.3% | +0.6% | +1.9% | +1.6% | -27.3% | -27.8% | Conservative | 125 | 17.0% | -3.4% | -2.5% | -2.2% | -17.4% | -16.9% | Liberal Democrat | 33 | 4.5% | +2.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Independent |
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| Total votes | 734 |
| 96% | 37% | 37% | 68% | 69% |
Swing Labour to UKIP 4.8% since January 2016 by-election but ULIP to Labour ~3% since 2015 Council now 27 UKIP, 18 Conservative, 5 Labour, 2 Democratic Independent, 2 Independent, 2 Vacant My limited mathematical prowess suggests to me that the council is now evenly split between UKIP and the others. Have UKIP got any of the others on board to get a majority (I presume some or all of the independents are ex-UKIP)? Who held the vacant seats before they became vacant and when are they going have elections? |
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Post by maxque on Jul 2, 2016 23:20:46 GMT
The two seats became vacant earlier this week, they were UKIP.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 2, 2016 23:20:50 GMT
There are 31 known by-elections during July and so far 7 in August. There are a further 22 known vacancies - 19 in England including a double vacancy in one ward, 2 Not yet called - 22Thanet DC, Northwood - 2 UKIP sitting as Democratic Independent resigned towards end of June Northwood is a neighbouring ward to Newington and somewhat similar demographically and politically - traditionally safe Labour, inland council estate |
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