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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 2, 2012 21:47:06 GMT
Sussex-Kent 2011 | | | Change | seats | change | Con | 681657 | 46.9% | -0.4 | 119 | +3 | Lab | 275430 | 19.0% | +6.0 | 13 | +4 | LD | 256247 | 17.6% | -6.4 | 10 | -9 | Ind | 106214 | 7.3% | -1.2 | 5 | +1 | Grn | 61221 | 4.2% | +0.8 | 3 | +1 | UKIP | 59630 | 4.1% | +1.7 | | | Oth | 12284 | 0.8% | -0.6 | | |
Lab Gain from Con Crawley South Hastings St Leonards Margate Portslade Sittingbourne Lab Gain from LD Gillingham North Con Gain from LD Burgess Hill Caterham & Warlingham Dorking East Grinstead Guildford East Littlehampton Seaford Con Gain from Lab Dartford North Con Gain from Ind Sheppey Ind Gain from Con Banstead Ind Gain from LD Epsom Grn Gain from Lab Brighton Preston A fairly sluggish Labour recovery here compared with most other regions and combined with a typical LD collapse allowing the Conservatives to actually increase their majority (as in Thames Chiltern). Admittedly potential Labour gains here are severely limited but even so there was still much unrealised potential. There are no very plausible looking targets in Surrey these days and Labour did little to bring themslevs into long term ocntention in the handful of seats where they might be competitive (Redhill, Woking East, Staines). Sussex comsists also of mostly unwinnable seats with a few safe seats in Brighton, Hastings and Crawley and few genuine marginals. Here they did achieve the relatively easy task of gaining Portslade, St Leonards and Crawley South but managed to lose another seat to the Greens in Brighton proper leaving them with only one seat there now. The major battleground as far as Labour is concerned is of course in Kent, specifically coastal Kent from Folkestone round to Dartford. Here their performance was underwhelming. They managed to take only two seats from the Conservatives, missing in Deal and Gravesend East by a whisker while not coming even close to taking any of the Tory held seats in the Medway towns. Margate was an easy target which duly delivered and the one truly impressive result was in gaining Sittingbourne. The gain in Gillingham North was a result mostly of the collapse of the LD vote rather than a particularly strong Labour performance and they actually contrived to lose the erstwhile stronghold of Dartford North to the Conservatives (the only Conservative gain from Labour so far identified.) The Lib Dem story is a familiar enough one, losing around half their seats here and most of these 9as one would expect given the types of area) to the Conservatives. Their rout was especially severe in Surrey where they lost 5 of the 6 seats previously held and overall are pinned down to their core in the cathedral cities and county towns with a couple of remaining seaside resort type seats. The Greens did well of course in Brighton & Hove but not really anywhere else - very nearly half their total vote in the region came from that city. Naturally this concentration delivered seats while UKIP with almost as many votes overall were not especially close to winning anywhere, though had some good performances in some other parts of the Sussex coast and parts of Kent and also Spelthorne
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 2, 2012 21:50:45 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 3, 2012 21:04:41 GMT
2007 | | | Change | seats | change | Con | 596369 | 47.3% | +3.2 | 116 | +12 | LD | 302971 | 24.0% | -3.5 | 19 | -6 | Lab | 164212 | 13.0% | -4.5 | 9 | -6 | Ind | 106629 | 8.5% | +2.3 | 4 | -1 | Grn | 42324 | 3.4% | +0.8 | 2 | +1 | UKIP | 30777 | 2.4% | +0.9 | | | Oth | 17039 | 1.4% | +0.9 | | |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 4, 2012 11:00:46 GMT
2003 | | | Change | seats | change | Con | 489758 | 44.1% | +1.2 | 104 | +17 | LD | 305491 | 27.5% | +0.8 | 25 | -4 | Lab | 194469 | 17.5% | -5.9 | 15 | -13 | Ind | 68862 | 6.2% | +0.6 | 5 | -1 | Grn | 28919 | 2.6% | +1.3 | 1 | +1 | UKIP | 16166 | 1.5% | +1.5 | | | Oth | 5891 | 0.5% | +0.4 | | |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 4, 2012 22:07:49 GMT
1999 | | | Change | seats | change | Con | 449189 | 42.9% | +10.9 | 87 | +38 | LD | 279748 | 26.7% | -4.1 | 29 | -19 | Lab | 245243 | 23.4% | -5.7 | 28 | -17 | Ind | 58660 | 5.6% | -0.8 | 6 | -2 | Grn | 13652 | 1.3% | +0.3 | | | Oth | 1208 | 0.1% | -0.5 | | |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 8, 2012 10:47:12 GMT
1995 | | | Change | seats | change | Con | 399700 | 32.0% | -9.8 | 49 | -41 | LD | 384989 | 30.8% | +1.0 | 48 | +12 | Lab | 363753 | 29.1% | +9.0 | 45 | +26 | Ind | 81203 | 6.5% | +0.9 | 8 | +3 | Grn | 12202 | 1.0% | -1.4 | | | Oth | 7383 | 0.6% | +0.3 | | |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 8, 2012 10:51:37 GMT
1991 | | | seats | Con | 572047 | 41.8% | 90 | LD | 408867 | 29.8% | 36 | Lab | 276027 | 20.1% | 19 | Ind | 76636 | 5.6% | 5 | Grn | 32257 | 2.4% | | Oth | 4317 | 0.3% | |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 8, 2012 11:01:27 GMT
| Con | Lab | LD | Ind | Grn | Oth | seats | Con | Lab | LD | Ind | Grn | Oth | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | 1991 | 41.8% | 20.1% | 29.8% | 5.6% | 2.1% | 0.3% | | 90 | 19 | 36 | 5 | | | 1995 | 32.0% | 29.1% | 30.8% | 6.5% | 1.0% | 0.6% | | 49 | 45 | 48 | 8 | | | 1999 | 42.9% | 23.4% | 26.7% | 5.6% | 1.3% | 0.1% | | 87 | 28 | 29 | 6 | | | 2003 | 44.1% | 17.5% | 27.5% | 6.2% | 2.6% | 2.0% | | 104 | 15 | 25 | 5 | 1 | | 2007 | 47.3% | 13.0% | 24.0% | 8.5% | 3.4% | 3.8% | | 116 | 9 | 19 | 4 | 2 | | 2011 | 46.9% | 19.0% | 17.6% | 7.3% | 4.2% | 4.9% | | 119 | 13 | 10 | 5 | 3 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 8, 2012 11:07:12 GMT
I note with interest that even in 1995, Labour were third in both votes and seats in this region!
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 8, 2012 11:33:45 GMT
| 1991 | 1995 | 1999 | 2003 | 2007 | 2011 | Kent | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Ashford East | LD | LD | LD | Con | Con | Con | Ashford West | Lab | Lab | Lab | Con | Con | Con | Aylesford | Con | LD | LD | Con | Con | Con | Birchington | Con | Lab | Con | Con | Con | Con | Borough Green | Con | Con | Con | Con | Con | Con | Broadstairs | Con | Lab | Con | Con | Con | Con | Canterbury | LD | LD | LD | LD | LD | LD | Chatham North | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Chatham South | Con | Lab | Con | Con | Con | Con | Dartford North | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Con | Dartford South | Con | Lab | Con | Con | Con | Con | Deal | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Con | Con | Dover | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Lab | Edenbridge | Con | Con | Con | Con | Con | Con | Faversham | Con | Con | Con | Con | Con | Con | Folkestone East | LD | Lab | LD | LD | Con | Con | Folkestone West & Hythe | LD | Con | Con | LD | Con | Con | Gillingham North | LD | LD | LD | LD | LD | Lab | Gillingham South | Con | Lab 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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 8, 2012 11:40:04 GMT
I note with interest that even in 1995, Labour were third in both votes and seats in this region! The seats that year also were remarkably proportional to votes cast. The breakdown in each county was interesting. Kent had a comfortable Labour lead of nearly 10%. East Sussex was almost a three way tie but with the LDs just ahead while both West Sussex and Surrey were close two-horse races between the Conservatives and LDs with the Conservatives leading by a whisker in Surrey and the LDs in West Sussex. Taken together Surrey and Sussex had the LDs in the lead so the Conservative lead in the region overall was thanks to Kent (although this was their weakest county, it was weaker still for the LDs)
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Post by LewesSound on Oct 8, 2012 12:40:02 GMT
This thread is all rather fascinating and must have taken a whole lot of hard work. I have one question for you, mostly out of a very pointless interest, but how close in 2011 were the Greens from winning any seats in the South East, in your fantasy election, outside of Brighton. I imagine Redhill would have been there closest they'd have been from breaking out of the Brighton stronghold?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 8, 2012 12:56:02 GMT
Thanks. Outside of Brighton & Hove (they were 4% behind the Conservatives in Hove West and 6% in Patcham) their best anc closest result was actually in Lewes - though they only had about 19% there this was enough to give them second place and was only just over 10% behind the LDs. After that you are right that Redhill was there best seat but they were nowhere near winning it and were still third behind Labour (it didn't help that they only contested two of the four component wards). As it happens on checking the spreadsheet I noticed I had entered the Green vote for Redhill East incorrectly so I'm grateful to you for inadvertently drawing my attention to that. After that the Greens had just over 10% in the three Eastbourne seats and nowhere else did they have above 10%
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Post by thetop on Oct 8, 2012 15:49:41 GMT
Was the Greens near enough steady advancement in votes since 1991 almost solely down to Brighton or are they doing better across the board in that region?
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 8, 2012 15:53:04 GMT
Was the Greens near enough steady advancement in votes since 1991 almost solely down to Brighton or are they doing better across the board in that region? I would imagine its a bit of both, combined with fielding more candidates in some areas. There have certainly been advances in areas like Redhill mentioned above (I think they would just have beaten Labour for second place there on this year's results). I was slightly surprised they'd done so well in Lewes this year as well.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 8, 2012 21:21:04 GMT
In fact they had done better in Lewes in 2007 winning 24% and being within about 8% if winning the seat. To answer The tops question the brief answer is that the advance is almost entirely down to Brighton and there overall progress in the rest of the region has been fairly modest (notwitrhstanding 'areas like Redhill' for which actually read just Redhill). A more detailed analysis is more revealing. Of course there has not been a steady advance as such since 1991 because the Gren vote declined quite heavily in 1995, mainly due to having fewer candidates. I have seen the same pattern in other regions and its clear that 1991 forms part of the first Green 'surge' following on from their success ijn the 1989 European elections and which subsequently fell away before making more sustainable (appropriately enough) advances in more carefully targeted areas after Labour came to power and the party became a repository for disaffected left wingers. For example, in 1991 the Greens won over 15,000 votes in Kent representing 3% of the total in that county and almost half of all their votes in this region. This was mainly due to having a large number of candidates in the East Kent boroughs of Canterbury, Dover and Thanet and actually doing quite well in a number of wards. In my Deal seat they won about 15% that year but have subsequently not even put up candidates. Indeed if you take the changes from 1991 to 2011 in each of the counties (but excluding Brighton & Hove from East Sussex) it is clear enough where the advances have come Kent 3.0% in 1991 falling to 2.6% in 2011 Surrey 0.7% in 1991 and 0.7% in 2011 W Sussex 1.3% in 1991 rising to 2.0% in 2011 E Sussex 3.7% in 1991 rising to 5.7% in 2011 Brighton & Hove 5.2% in 1991 rising to 30.1% in 2011
Another way of looking it is as a proportion of the total Green vote in the region. That which came from Brighton & Hove was:
1991 13.4% 1995 31.0% 1999 69.4% 2003 54.7% 2007 40.3% 2011 47.5%
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Post by thetop on Oct 8, 2012 22:47:07 GMT
Thanks for that analysis, Pete. If I haven't posted so already, I'm much enjoying this thread (and slightly envious of your resources - although hullenedge is assuaging that a great deal!).
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 9, 2012 15:46:04 GMT
What are you doing next, Pete??
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 9, 2012 18:15:24 GMT
I'm rather constrained by the problem I described in the North East - it also affects the West Midlands (Shropshire), Devon & Cornwall and the two Wessex regions (WIltshire and the Isle of Wight). That leaves me only the East Midlands and London out of England. Not sure I can do Scotland well on the current ward sizes but I may have a crack at Wales. London is in some ways the least interesting for me to do because its all so familiar while the East Midlands is just not that interesting. I might have a rest for a while
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Post by tricky on Oct 9, 2012 19:10:45 GMT
I might have a rest for a while You should be working all year round - not just at election time.
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