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Post by strinity on Oct 21, 2016 0:58:36 GMT
I think it's more a reference to some of the candidates. It's a fitting description for the National Front, the BNP and the EDL (and perhaps the English Democrats, I don't know if that branch is insane like the Kent one). Well we may not like them but that's democracy comrades. They are entitled to be there And we are entitled to £500 per idiot/nutter. Win all round! |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 21, 2016 0:59:20 GMT
Luckily I switched over to Sky just in time for the declaration. Yet again the stupid arrogant BBC wasn't even showing it.
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Post by AJS on Oct 21, 2016 1:01:28 GMT
Luckily I switched over to Sky just in time for the declaration. Yet again the stupid arrogant BBC wasn't even showing it. Radio Five Live promised to broadcast the result live. They didn't.  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 21, 2016 1:20:39 GMT
No way will Labour score that big. they did |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 21, 2016 1:22:17 GMT
how can I merge cells in the table post format
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Post by greenhert on Oct 21, 2016 1:24:06 GMT
Everyone loses their deposit except Brabin. Bundle check must have been at the instigation of Hirst who got 4.8%. First time this has happened in any parliamentary election (general or by) since 1979 in England, where only the winning Labour candidate saved his deposit in Liverpool Scotland Exchange. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 21, 2016 1:26:05 GMT
Everyone loses their deposit except Brabin. Bundle check must have been at the instigation of Hirst who got 4.8%. First time this has happened in any parliamentary election (general or by) since 1979 in England, where only the winning Labour candidate saved his deposit in Liverpool Scotland Exchange. And that was in the 12.5% era. I assume we have to go back to the wartime by-elections to find anything comparable? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 21, 2016 1:28:47 GMT
First time this has happened in any parliamentary election (general or by) since 1979 in England, where only the winning Labour candidate saved his deposit in Liverpool Scotland Exchange. And that was in the 12.5% era. I assume we have to go back to the wartime by-elections to find anything comparable? Several of the Northern Ireland by-elections in 1986 had only the winner saving their deposit though only in Antrim North would that have happened on the 5% threhold en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_by-elections,_1986 |
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Post by greenhert on Oct 21, 2016 1:29:20 GMT
We do, timrollpickering , in terms of contests with three or more candidates (back to 1940, in fact)-but the Newham South by-election of 1974 came very close to achieving that feat, since the Liberals only saved their deposit by 0.01%. The Kensington South by-election of 1968 recorded only 12.6% for the second placed Liberals, so that was also pretty close. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 21, 2016 1:30:46 GMT
The Labour share of the vote went up by 42.6%, which is the biggest increase in the share of the vote for a main party in a by-election since... er...
Liberal Party, Bermondsey, 1983 ?
Some of the Northern Ireland Unionists, 1986 ?
Some of the WW2 by-elections ?
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 21, 2016 1:38:40 GMT
| Party | Candidate | Votes | % | ±
| | Labour | Tracy Brabin | 17,506 | 85.8 | +42.6 | | English Democrats | Therese Hirst | 969 | 2.8 | N/A | | BNP | David Furness | 548 | 2.7 | N/A | | Independent | Garry Kitchin | 517 | 2.5 | N/A | | English Independence | Corbyn Anti | 241 | 1.2 | N/A | | Liberty GB | Jack Buckby | 220 | 1.1 | N/A | | Independent | Henry Mayhew | 153 | 0.8 | N/A | | Independent | Waqas Ali Khan | 118 | 0.6 | N/A | | National Front | Richard Edmonds | 87 | 0.4 | N/A | | One Love Party | Ankit Love | 34 | 0.2 | N/A |
| Majority | 16,537 | 81.0 |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 21, 2016 1:42:48 GMT
The Labour share of the vote went up by 42.6%, which is the biggest increase in the share of the vote for a main party in a by-election since... er... Liberal Party, Bermondsey, 1983 ? Some of the Northern Ireland Unionists, 1986 ? Some of the WW2 by-elections ? Largest increase for any party since Bradford West 2012, Respect up 52.8, Largest increase for Labour or Conservative EVER Largest increase for Lab, Con or Lib since Bermondsey 1983, Liberal up 50.9 |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 21, 2016 1:47:40 GMT
btw prior to this by election the largest increase in vote % for the 2 main parties were
Labour, 31.8 in Fulham East 1933
Conservative, 25.0 in Liverpool Wavertree 1931
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Post by johnloony on Oct 21, 2016 1:50:33 GMT
btw prior to this by election the largest increase in vote % for the 2 main parties were Labour, 31.8 in Fulham East 1933 Conservative, 25.0 in Liverpool Wavertree 1931 Wow! I was expecting to get an answer eventually from someone like David Boothroyd or Andy AJS, so I am impressed that you knew the answer so quickly. |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 21, 2016 1:51:50 GMT
btw prior to this by election the largest increase in vote % for the 2 main parties were Labour, 31.8 in Fulham East 1933 Conservative, 25.0 in Liverpool Wavertree 1931 Wow! I was expecting to get an answer eventually from someone like David Boothroyd or Andy AJS, so I am impressed that you knew the answer so quickly. United Kingdom by-election records - Wikipedia |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 21, 2016 2:03:27 GMT
One always gave to be cautious about Wikipedia because they sometimes get things wrong or miss out details.
Anyway, in the 15 by-elections in Northern Ireland in 1986, there were 5 in which the winning party's share of the vote went up by more than today's 42.6%:
Londonderry East UUP +56.0%
Antrim South UUP +48.4%
Antrim East UUP +47.5%
Strangford UUP +45.4%
Antrim North DUP +43.2%
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Oct 21, 2016 2:11:53 GMT
One always gave to be cautious about Wikipedia because they sometimes get things wrong or miss out details. Anyway, in the 15 by-elections in Northern Ireland in 1986, there were 5 in which the winning party's share of the vote went up by more than today's 42.6%: Londonderry East UUP +56.0% Antrim South UUP +48.4% Antrim East UUP +47.5% Strangford UUP +45.4% Antrim North DUP +43.2% It says that, it's just that I didn't post it |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 21, 2016 2:18:23 GMT
I have found another one:
Dunbartonshire, 26th February 1941
A.S. McKinlay (Labour) 21,900 (85.0%) +43.1
M. MacEwan (Communist) 3,862 (15.0%)
but that is only if you compare the 85.0% in 1941 with the 41.9% which Labour got in the general election in 1935, and ignore the 48.1% which Labour got in another by-election in 1936.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 21, 2016 2:22:59 GMT
Clackmannan & Stirlingshire East, 13th October 1939: Labour up 51.6% from 42.1 to 93.7
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Post by Admin Twaddleford on Oct 21, 2016 4:53:28 GMT
Any guesses what the result would have been had the Conservatives, UKIP, Lib Dems and Greens done what they should have done and fielded candidates?
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