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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2023 18:19:12 GMT
Interesting thanks. The Ladins are one of those obscure minorities with a surprisingly interesting history, like the Rumantsch (whose language is like theirs as well). What few here in Central Europe are aware of is, that my Rumantsch&Ladin relatives are not some strange outSiders - instead they are the small relic of former normality (just like the Gaelic are on the British Isles). E.g.: Before 1200 AD the Alpine areas south of SalzburgCity spoke VulgarLatin. The VintschGau (NW-SouthTyrol) was germanized even later. Rumantsch was spoken as far north as Lake Constance once upon a time. It has a pleasant sound to it, it definitely sounds very different to the other Romance languages. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2023 18:19:17 GMT
Trento final result Centre-right incumbent 51.82% (seats: 5 Lega, 5 Brothers of Italy, 4 for president's list, 3 PATT, 2 local civic list, 1 local list) Centre-left 37.5% (Seats: 7 PD, 3 local list, 1 Green Left, 1 former PATT who didn't join CR) Left 3.81% (1 seat) Further left 2.26% (0 seat) Former Lega defector 2.22% (0 seat) M5S 1.92% (0 seat) Alternativa (former M5S who didn't back Draghi) 0.48% (0 seat) Apparently regional president Fugatti is less popular than his supporting parties. Question to andrea: Is Filippo Degasperi a relative of Alcide deGasperi? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2023 18:24:20 GMT
What few here in Central Europe are aware of is, that my Rumantsch&Ladin relatives are not some strange outSiders - instead they are the small relic of former normality (just like the Gaelic are on the British Isles). E.g.: Before 1200 AD the Alpine areas south of SalzburgCity spoke VulgarLatin. The VintschGau (NW-SouthTyrol) was germanized even later. Rumantsch was spoken as far north as Lake Constance once upon a time. It has a pleasant sound to it, it definitely sounds very different to the other Romance languages. Exactly:   The linguists have all in all not been so successful in detecting Basque subStrates in European languages, but at us reTards in the Alpine valleys there exist comparatively many possible hits. |
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Post by andrea on Oct 23, 2023 21:16:31 GMT
Trento final result Centre-right incumbent 51.82% (seats: 5 Lega, 5 Brothers of Italy, 4 for president's list, 3 PATT, 2 local civic list, 1 local list) Centre-left 37.5% (Seats: 7 PD, 3 local list, 1 Green Left, 1 former PATT who didn't join CR) Left 3.81% (1 seat) Further left 2.26% (0 seat) Former Lega defector 2.22% (0 seat) M5S 1.92% (0 seat) Alternativa (former M5S who didn't back Draghi) 0.48% (0 seat) Apparently regional president Fugatti is less popular than his supporting parties. Question to andrea: Is Filippo Degasperi a relative of Alcide deGasperi? 1) yes, but not much gap. The council lists supporting him polled 52.64%. He got 51.82% 2) I haven't read it mentioned. So possibly not. |
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Post by andrea on Oct 23, 2023 21:29:22 GMT
The counting in Foggia is halfway....and they started at 3pm....  |
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Post by andrea on Oct 24, 2023 7:21:37 GMT
The counting in Foggia is halfway....and they started at 3pm.... finished. CL gain. CL 52,78 CR 24.78 CR incumbent didn't finish his second term. He resigned in spring when he was under investigation. Then he has been also arrested. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 24, 2023 9:44:18 GMT
The counting in Foggia is halfway....and they started at 3pm.... finished. CL gain. CL 52,78 CR 24.78 CR incumbent didn't finish his second term. He resigned in spring when he was under investigation. Then he has been also arrested. You can spend a lifetime in the Brazilian Congress with that sort of record. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 26, 2024 13:53:41 GMT
In Sardiny after 8 hours of counting only 1/6 of precincts are done - and while the CSX was initially far ahead it's now -neck-to-neck: elezioniregionali2024.regione.sardegna.it/risultati-riassuntiviAmusingly they have a law, that, when not all votes will be counted until 19:00, all ballots will be put back into the boxes and sent to districtCentres for a new counting by the CourtOfAppeal, so finding the winner could take days/weeks... |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 27, 2024 1:59:39 GMT
Nearly everyThing is counted, but the CSX-woMan (an exInCumbent) is still not 3,000 votes ahead (0.4%).
The remaining precincts are mostly in Cagliari&Sassari, so her victory seems safe.
From a sadistic point of view it would have been hilarious, if she had lost narrowliest due to a candidate, who was supported by Azione+ and RC (!!!).
First setBack for Mrs.Meloni. Her party insisted on a candidate of FdI instead of the inCumbent from an autonomist party. He received nearly 4% less than the CDX-bloc.
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Post by andrea on Feb 27, 2024 9:28:52 GMT
Sardinia
1823 precincts out of 1844
Alessandra Todde (M5S MP, backed also by PD) 45.4% (330,789 votes)
Paolo Truzzo (FDI mayor of Cagliari, backed also by Lega and Forza Italia) 45.0% (327,993)
Renato Soru (2004-2009 president of Sardinia region, 2014-19 MEP for PD; backed also by Calenda) 8.6%
Lucia Chessa (ind) 1%
Party lists
Todde
PD 13.8% (11 council seats)
M5S 7.8% (6 seats)
Green Left 4.7% (4 seats)
United for Alessandra Todd 4% (3 seats)
Progressives 3% (3 seats)
Future Left 3% (3 seats)
Common Horizon 3% (3 seats)
Socialists 1.7% (2 seats)
Forza Paris 0.9%
Solidarity Democracy 0.7%
Truzzo
Brothers of Italy 13.5% (7 seats)
Sardinian Reformers 7.1% (3 seats)
Forza Italia 6.3% (3 seats)
Sardinia in the Centre 5.5% (3 seats)
Sardinan Action Party 5.4% (3 seats)
Sardinian Alliance-Liberal Party 4.1% (2 seats)
Lega 3.8% (2 seats)
Christian Democratic Union 2.8% (1 seat)
Christian Democrats 0.3%
Soru
Project Sardinia 3.5%
Vote Sardinia 1.6%
+Europe/Calenda 1.5%
Liberu 0.7%
Communists 0.7%
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Post by andrea on Feb 27, 2024 10:07:28 GMT
In Sardiny after 8 hours of counting only 1/6 of precincts are done - and while the CSX was initially far ahead it's now -neck-to-neck: elezioniregionali2024.regione.sardegna.it/risultati-riassuntiviAmusingly they have a law, that, when not all votes will be counted until 19:00, all ballots will be put back into the boxes and sent to districtCentres for a new counting by the CourtOfAppeal, so finding the winner could take days/weeks... They didn't follow the 19.00 deadline regulation in the end (even if a great deal of votes reported after 7pm were probably already counted by 7pm but not imputed into the system). However, the missing 22 precincts will be counted by the court. They are in: 4 in Sassari, 2 in Sorso, 3 in Sestu, 2 in Bonarcado, 3 in Luras, 2 in Musei, 2 in Serdiana, 2 in Silius, 1 in San Gavino Monreale, 1 in Villasor. |
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Post by andrea on Feb 27, 2024 21:26:04 GMT
Soru's daughter is elected to the regional council for PD. Her father didn't get it on the council.
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Post by andrea on Mar 10, 2024 23:38:11 GMT
In Abruzzo only few hundred votes are counted. Little doubt, that it will be very narrow. First projections point towards a comfortable win for centre-right incumbent (9% lead). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Mar 11, 2024 2:32:48 GMT
In Abruzzo only few hundred votes are counted. Little doubt, that it will be very narrow. First projections point towards a comfortable win for centre-right incumbent (9% lead). Nearly 50% in and a 7%-lead, so indeed a comfortable win for FdI's firstly elected regional president. |
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Post by andrea on Mar 11, 2024 8:23:34 GMT
First projections point towards a comfortable win for centre-right incumbent (9% lead). Nearly 50% in and a 7%-lead, so indeed a comfortable win for FdI's firstly elected regional president. 1632 polling stations reported out of 1634 Marsilio (centre-right) 53.5% D'Amico (PD backed by M5S) 46.5% Council lists Masilio side Fratelli d'Italia 24.1% Forza Italia 13.4% Lega 7.6% Marsilio President 5.7% Moderates 2.7% Christian Union 1.2% D'Amico side PD 20.3% Together for Abruzzo 7.7% M5S 7.0% Azione (Calenda) 4% Green Left 3.6% Reformers 2.8% |
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Post by andrea on Mar 11, 2024 8:52:45 GMT
Nearly 50% in and a 7%-lead, so indeed a comfortable win for FdI's firstly elected regional president. 1632 polling stations reported out of 1634 Marsilio (centre-right) 53.5% D'Amico (PD backed by M5S) 46.5% Council lists Masilio side Fratelli d'Italia 24.1% Forza Italia 13.4% Lega 7.6% Marsilio President 5.7% Moderates 2.7% Christian Union 1.2% D'Amico side PD 20.3% Together for Abruzzo 7.7% M5S 7.0% Azione (Calenda) 4% Green Left 3.6% Reformers 2.8% Count finished Council seats Fratelli d'Italia 8 (+6 compared to 2019 elections) Forza Italia 4 (+1) Lega 2 (-8) Marsilio President 2 (+2) Moderates 1 (+1. The councillor elected was an incumbent elected for Christian Union 5 years ago) Christian Union 0 (-1) Political Action 0 (-1. Their 2019 councillor went with Forza Italia this time and was re-elected) Total 17PD 6 (+3) Together for Abruzzo 2 (new. But within the centre-left coalition last tine, president candidate's list got 1 seat and Abruzzo in Common got 1 seat) M5S 2 (-5) Azione (Calenda) 1 (+1) Green Left 1 (+1) + the losing presidential candidate Total 13 |
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Post by andrea on Mar 11, 2024 18:42:27 GMT
By province
Teramo
CL 50.18% CR 49.82%
(CL won Teramo city with 53.29)
Pescara
CR 51.70% CL 48.3%
(CL won Pescara city with 52.29)
Chieti
CR 51.53% CL 48.47%
(CR won Chieti city with 50.94)
L'Aquila
CR 61.31% CL 38.69%
(CR won Aquila city with 52.37)
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 21, 2024 16:06:25 GMT
In Basilicata the %-change of turnOut at 12.00 MET did not have any corRelation with the CDX-strength in the 2022-election.
So CDX should really have this in the bag.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 22, 2024 17:41:54 GMT
First surprise: Azione (Calenda) is - apparently incl. IV (Renzi) - part of CDX, what is a new step in their shift to the right.
Second surprise: Azione stands presently at 9%, CDX at 56%; so in theory...
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