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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 22, 2023 18:39:06 GMT
Turnouts Trentino (5pm): 37.22% Alto Adige (5pm): 52.2% (lowest in Bolzano area at 41%, highest in Val Pusteria at 58%)In Trentino polls close at 10 pm. Counting starts tomorrow morning. In Alto Adige at 9pm. Counting will be overnight Foggia mayoral election: at 7pm 36.17% (voting will continue until 11 pm and then tomorrow up to 3 pm) Senate by-election in Monza: at 7pm 12.5% (voting will continue until 11 pm and then tomorrow up to 3 pm) According to a german-speaking newsPaper turnOut was early in the morning lower than last time, but has improved later - bad sign for the parties of churchGoers/elderly. |
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Post by andrea on Oct 22, 2023 18:40:46 GMT
Turnouts in Alto Adige at 5pm by district
Val Pusteria/Pustertal 58.1%
Val d'Isarco/Eisacktal 57.4%
Salto-Sciliar/Salten-Schlern 57.3%
Val Venosta/Vinschgau 56.3%
Alta Val d'Isarco/Wipptal 56.1%
Ladin municipalities 52.7%
Burgraviato/Burggrafenamt 51.7%
Oltradige-Bassa Atesina/Überetsch-Unterland 50.2%
Bolzano/Bozen 41.9%
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Post by andrea on Oct 22, 2023 18:51:26 GMT
Turnouts Trentino (5pm): 37.22% Alto Adige (5pm): 52.2% (lowest in Bolzano area at 41%, highest in Val Pusteria at 58%)In Trentino polls close at 10 pm. Counting starts tomorrow morning. In Alto Adige at 9pm. Counting will be overnight Foggia mayoral election: at 7pm 36.17% (voting will continue until 11 pm and then tomorrow up to 3 pm) Senate by-election in Monza: at 7pm 12.5% (voting will continue until 11 pm and then tomorrow up to 3 pm) According to a german-speaking newsPaper turnOut was early in the morning lower than last time, but has improved later - bad sign for the parties of churchGoers/elderly. We trust in the evening mass! |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 22, 2023 18:51:29 GMT
In SouthTyrol the turnOut has compared to 2018 been increasing by 1.7%. Yet, in 75%-Italian Bozen/Bolzano it has been falling by that %. In the partly Italian LowerLand stagnating. No good sign for the Italian parties, especially for those of CD.
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Post by andrea on Oct 22, 2023 20:06:15 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 22, 2023 20:11:00 GMT
SouthTyrol's official results: landtagswahlen.provinz.bz.it/de/territory/provinceFunny fact: While FPÖ-Tyrol endorsed naturally DieFreiheitlichen, their federal leader Kickl preferred the personal list Wirth-Anderlan. (A split, which could play a role within FPÖ once?) Additionally FPÖ-like voters have there the SüdTiroler Freiheit/STF. EDIT: Was beaten by andrea with the link, sorry. |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 23, 2023 2:54:14 GMT
SouthTyrol's official results: landtagswahlen.provinz.bz.it/de/territory/provinceFunny fact: While FPÖ-Tyrol endorsed naturally DieFreiheitlichen, their federal leader Kickl preferred the personal list Wirth-Anderlan. (A split, which could play a role within FPÖ once?) Additionally FPÖ-like voters have there the SüdTiroler Freiheit/STF. EDIT: Was beaten by andrea with the link, sorry. Woeful result for the SVP. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2023 3:10:27 GMT
SouthTyrol's official results: landtagswahlen.provinz.bz.it/de/territory/provinceFunny fact: While FPÖ-Tyrol endorsed naturally DieFreiheitlichen, their federal leader Kickl preferred the personal list Wirth-Anderlan. (A split, which could play a role within FPÖ once?) Additionally FPÖ-like voters have there the SüdTiroler Freiheit/STF. EDIT: Was beaten by andrea with the link, sorry. Woeful result for the SVP. Yes. Despite (or because of ?) having been in coalition with the Italian CDX they were once more bleeding out to the german-speaking Right:  |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 23, 2023 3:13:45 GMT
Woeful result for the SVP. Yes. Despite (or because of ?) having been in coalition with the Italian CDX they were once more bleeding out to the german-speaking Right: What’s the most likely coalition? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2023 3:36:23 GMT
Yes. Despite (or because of ?) having been in coalition with the Italian CDX they were once more bleeding out to the german-speaking Right: What’s the most likely coalition? As mentioned above the SVP has traditionally chosen the strongest Italian party as partner. The problem now is, that the Italian CDX is too fragmented and weak and CSX has allWays been so. Remain TheGreens, which are per intention supranational, but perceived as mostly a german thing - the more national-minded Italian minority would not be excited by them as their rePresentatives. Even less by Team Köllensperger, which has additionally the disAdvantage of being the vehicle of an apparently problematic technician, originally from M5S, now labelling as "leftlib." (ALDE-obServer), who has had lots of deFections. I strongly doubt, that SVP can risk relying on the latter, so my guess is MidLeft (= SVP+Greens+PD&LaCivica, perhaps supported in some way by TeamK.). |
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Post by rcronald on Oct 23, 2023 3:53:00 GMT
What’s the most likely coalition? As mentioned above the SVP has traditionally chosen the strongest Italian party as partner. The problem now is, that the Italian CDX is too fragmented and weak and CSX has allWays been so. Remain TheGreens, which are per intention supranational, but perceived as mostly a german thing - the more national-minded Italian minority would not be excited by them as their rePresentatives. Even less by Team Köllensperger, which has additionally the disAdvantage of being the vehicle of an apparently problematic technician, originally from M5S, now labelling as "leftlib." (ALDE-obServer), who has had lots of deFections. I strongly doubt, that SVP can risk relying on the latter, so my guess is MidLeft (= SVP+Greens+PD&LaCivica, perhaps supported in some way by TeamK.). I can’t believe the Vita nutters actually won a seat… |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2023 4:12:03 GMT
As mentioned above the SVP has traditionally chosen the strongest Italian party as partner. The problem now is, that the Italian CDX is too fragmented and weak and CSX has allWays been so. Remain TheGreens, which are per intention supranational, but perceived as mostly a german thing - the more national-minded Italian minority would not be excited by them as their rePresentatives. Even less by Team Köllensperger, which has additionally the disAdvantage of being the vehicle of an apparently problematic technician, originally from M5S, now labelling as "leftlib." (ALDE-obServer), who has had lots of deFections. I strongly doubt, that SVP can risk relying on the latter, so my guess is MidLeft (= SVP+Greens+PD&LaCivica, perhaps supported in some way by TeamK.). I can’t believe the Vita nutters actually won a seat… "Enzian" is also antiVaccination (but more conservative®ionalist). |
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Post by andrea on Oct 23, 2023 5:58:55 GMT
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Post by andrea on Oct 23, 2023 14:25:14 GMT
Trento final result
Centre-right incumbent 51.82% (seats: 5 Lega, 5 Brothers of Italy, 4 for president's list, 3 PATT, 2 local civic list, 1 local list)
Centre-left 37.5% (Seats: 7 PD, 3 local list, 1 Green Left, 1 former PATT who didn't join CR)
Left 3.81% (1 seat)
Further left 2.26% (0 seat)
Former Lega defector 2.22% (0 seat)
M5S 1.92% (0 seat)
Alternativa (former M5S who didn't back Draghi) 0.48% (0 seat)
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Post by andrea on Oct 23, 2023 17:06:04 GMT
Senate by-election to replace Berlusconi
Galliani (CR) 51.46%
Cappato 39.53%
South with North 1.76%
Some Left list 1.75%
Communists 1.65%
Other far leftists 1.43%
A list anti-everything 1.26%
Some Social-Catholic list 1.19%
Turnout 19.25%
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2023 17:36:15 GMT
Who do Ladins tend to vote for?
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Post by andrea on Oct 23, 2023 17:42:31 GMT
Who do Ladins tend to vote for? Ladin municipalities (Badia, Corvara, La Valle, Marebbe, S. Martino in Badia, S. Cristina, Selva, Ortisei) SVP 47.5% Greens 9.6 Team K 9.1 |
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Post by YL on Oct 23, 2023 17:50:09 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 23, 2023 17:54:34 GMT
Who do Ladins tend to vote for? Ladin municipalities (Badia, Corvara, La Valle, Marebbe, S. Martino in Badia, S. Cristina, Selva, Ortisei) SVP 47.5% Greens 9.6 Team K 9.1 Interesting thanks. The Ladins are one of those obscure minorities with a surprisingly interesting history, like the Rumantsch (whose language is like theirs as well). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 23, 2023 18:15:16 GMT
Ladin municipalities (Badia, Corvara, La Valle, Marebbe, S. Martino in Badia, S. Cristina, Selva, Ortisei) SVP 47.5% Greens 9.6 Team K 9.1 Interesting thanks. The Ladins are one of those obscure minorities with a surprisingly interesting history, like the Rumantsch (whose language is like theirs as well). What few here in Central Europe are aware of is, that my Rumantsch&Ladin relatives are not some strange outSiders - instead they are the small relic of former normality (just like the Gaelic are on the British Isles). E.g.: Before 1200 AD the Alpine areas south of SalzburgCity spoke VulgarLatin. The VintschGau (NW-SouthTyrol) was germanized even later. |
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