CatholicLeft
Labour
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 16, 2023 13:14:30 GMT
I am on my PC - it lets me change my name, not my party. You need to go to the Settings tab, then the Display Group option. It just says Co-operative or None. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 16, 2023 13:40:39 GMT
You need to go to the Settings tab, then the Display Group option. It just says Co-operative or None. Or indeed, 'Forum Regular.' I don't know what's happened here. Can you change anything at all? EDIT: you should be able to change it now. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 16, 2023 13:56:17 GMT
goodness it's donkey's years since Mike Thomas was heard of - apparently he is still alive and in his late 70s. Mike Thomas lives in retirement in Brill, Bucks, but is a regular newspaper correspondent (mostly to the Times and Telegraph). I had an email exchange with him a few years ago (we happen to have been to the same school). |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 16, 2023 14:27:26 GMT
Never seen it as a soft-right option. I am not of that background anyway. I suspect the perspective may be that a cooperative position is about increasing the labour share through developing and growing enterprises rather than redistributive measures, which puts them on the economic right (in Labour terms). That's my reading of the situation and I might be wrong. There is the added factor that there are people on the actual economic right who support cooperatives, mutuals and so on as a way of building individual involvement in the economy and view it as a way of building a shareowning democracy. This a more continental view admittedly but it isn't that rare a stance especially in academia in the UK. This may also influence some on the left to view the Co-Op Party as being right wing. I wouldn't say that the Co-Op Party itself is right wing in Labour terms, but there is a divide between those who join it because they are keen on the principles of co-operation (no particular factional distribution that I've come across) and those who join internal party organisations because they are keen on networking and being part of things (which tends to tilt to the right.) It's far to say that amongst MPs, those who've had the Labour Co-Op designation haven't always been especially vocal on co-operative issues. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 16, 2023 15:40:43 GMT
Never seen it as a soft-right option. I am not of that background anyway. I suspect the perspective may be that a cooperative position is about increasing the labour share through developing and growing enterprises rather than redistributive measures, which puts them on the economic right (in Labour terms). That's my reading of the situation and I might be wrong. There is the added factor that there are people on the actual economic right who support cooperatives, mutuals and so on as a way of building individual involvement in the economy and view it as a way of building a shareowning democracy. This a more continental view admittedly but it isn't that rare a stance especially in academia in the UK. This may also influence some on the left to view the Co-Op Party as being right wing. Maybe we need another thread for this. I like mutuals, cooperatives etc as part of an economy. What infuriates me from a professional view, when I've helped clean up after collapses, is that loads of people complain about remuneration, direction etc but never bother to vote or involve themselves at all. And when it goes wrong just shrug and suggest it is nothing to do with them. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 16, 2023 16:02:58 GMT
"The problem with socialism is that it takes up too many evenings."
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Post by richardh on Feb 16, 2023 17:54:59 GMT
Some of the Leeds Labour council candidates in the 1980s used to stand as "Labour and Co-op". One year I wrote and article in the local evening paper saying it appeared that the candidates with this label had not to have done as well as those whose tag was just "Labour". This amateur psephology did not go down well with the some of the Labour and Co-op candidates, and the paper published a letter from one of them roundly condemning the article as anti-Co-op.
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CatholicLeft
Labour
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 16, 2023 18:02:10 GMT
A pity I haven't got Labour and Co-operative as my moniker, as I used to and some still have.
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Post by johnloony on Feb 16, 2023 18:44:28 GMT
Some of the Leeds Labour council candidates in the 1980s used to stand as "Labour and Co-op". One year I wrote and article in the local evening paper saying it appeared that the candidates with this label had not to have done as well as those whose tag was just "Labour". This amateur psephology did not go down well with the some of the Labour and Co-op candidates, and the paper published a letter from one of them roundly condemning the article as anti-Co-op. Maybe the confusion about the party labels on the ballot paper caused some of the voters to be uncooperative. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 24, 2023 0:26:24 GMT
goodness it's donkey's years since Mike Thomas was heard of - apparently he is still alive and in his late 70s. Mike Thomas lives in retirement in Brill, Bucks, but is a regular newspaper correspondent (mostly to the Times and Telegraph). I had an email exchange with him a few years ago (we happen to have been to the same school). And he's got a letter in The Times this morning: |
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Post by November_Rain on May 6, 2023 18:19:15 GMT
I've now rejoined Labour, and wish to move back to the red room (if they'll have me) please.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 7, 2023 6:18:17 GMT
I've now rejoined Labour, and wish to move back to the red room (if they'll have me) please. |
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Post by AdminSTB on May 7, 2023 11:59:15 GMT
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aargauer
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Post by aargauer on May 7, 2023 19:02:44 GMT
I've now rejoined Labour, and wish to move back to the red room (if they'll have me) please. After just voting tory? Or was that someone else? |
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Post by The Bishop on May 8, 2023 11:57:35 GMT
It was indeed he (1Lab/1Con to be strictly accurate) but now that he is back in the room (and party) he's not expected to do that again |
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Sandy
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Post by Sandy on May 8, 2023 13:51:06 GMT
When I retook the political compass test last week, it placed me well along the authoritarian spectrum, but slightly into the left side.
Any of the reds fancy me moving in?
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 8, 2023 14:29:43 GMT
When I retook the political compass test last week, it placed me well along the authoritarian spectrum, but slightly into the left side. Any of the reds fancy me moving in? You's certainly fit into the old church of the Labour Party and movement. |
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Tony Otim
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Post by Tony Otim on May 8, 2023 14:38:49 GMT
When I retook the political compass test last week, it placed me well along the authoritarian spectrum, but slightly into the left side. Any of the reds fancy me moving in? Sounds like a perfect fit for the current SNP... Ducks and runs for cover  |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 8, 2023 14:40:42 GMT
When I retook the political compass test last week, it placed me well along the authoritarian spectrum, but slightly into the left side. Any of the reds fancy me moving in? Sounds like a perfect fit for the current SNP... Ducks and runs for cover Very different brands of authoritarianism. |
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nodealbrexiteer
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non aligned favour no deal brexit!
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 9, 2023 11:18:56 GMT
It was indeed he (1Lab/1Con to be strictly accurate) but now that he is back in the room (and party) he's not expected to do that again Or he'll be tied up with piano wire |
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