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Post by November_Rain on Feb 15, 2023 19:57:19 GMT
I'd like to switch from Reform to Non-aligned please.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 15, 2023 20:44:50 GMT
I'd like to switch from Reform to Non-aligned please. Just asked a question in the North Somerset thread without noticing this. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 15, 2023 20:57:02 GMT
Can I become Labour and Co-operative Party, please.
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 15, 2023 21:10:37 GMT
Can I become Labour and Co-operative Party, please. For why? Is there something that's happened why you're being more specific? |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 15, 2023 21:21:23 GMT
Can I become Labour and Co-operative Party, please. For why? Is there something that's happened why you're being more specific? I left as a fee-paying (as opposed to affiliate) party member due to my spoiling the ballot in 2019 and not then being happy with the election of Keir Starmer. I am now seeing families I know struggle to cope in a way I have not seen for 30 years and need to make a choice. My economic politics are socialist and I want a change of government. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 7:13:47 GMT
For why? Is there something that's happened why you're being more specific? I left as a fee-paying (as opposed to affiliate) party member due to my spoiling the ballot in 2019 and not then being happy with the election of Keir Starmer. I am now seeing families I know struggle to cope in a way I have not seen for 30 years and need to make a choice. My economic politics are socialist and I want a change of government. I am ignorant when it comes to this, but genuinely curious. Can I ask what is the ideological distinction between being ‘just’ Labour and being Labour and Co-Operative? Is the latter generally more to the left? Is it symbolic more than anything or does the Co-Operative Party have a ‘voice at the table?’ |
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 16, 2023 11:24:13 GMT
I'd like to switch from Reform to Non-aligned please. You can change your own description, but I will remove you from the Reform room. CatholicLeft, you should also be able to change your description. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 16, 2023 11:39:44 GMT
I'd like to switch from Reform to Non-aligned please. You can change your own description, but I will remove you from the Reform room. CatholicLeft , you should also be able to change your description. Can't see how, I have looked. Maybe I am being thick. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 16, 2023 11:46:42 GMT
Maybe we should have an Uncooperative group as well!
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Post by stb12 on Feb 16, 2023 11:48:09 GMT
You can change your own description, but I will remove you from the Reform room. CatholicLeft , you should also be able to change your description. Can't see how, I have looked. Maybe I am being thick. Might need to switch from mobile site if you’re using that |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 16, 2023 11:51:09 GMT
I left as a fee-paying (as opposed to affiliate) party member due to my spoiling the ballot in 2019 and not then being happy with the election of Keir Starmer. I am now seeing families I know struggle to cope in a way I have not seen for 30 years and need to make a choice. My economic politics are socialist and I want a change of government. I am ignorant when it comes to this, but genuinely curious. Can I ask what is the ideological distinction between being ‘just’ Labour and being Labour and Co-Operative? Is the latter generally more to the left? Is it symbolic more than anything or does the Co-Operative Party have a ‘voice at the table?’ The Co-Operative Party is an affiliated organisation, but unlike the other organisations it's also a political party in its own right. However, it only stands candidates in a fusion arrangement with the Labour Party. Generally I'd say that in factional terms most of those associated with it are on the soft right of the party, though it's not a hard and fast rule. |
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Post by neilm on Feb 16, 2023 12:01:01 GMT
I am ignorant when it comes to this, but genuinely curious. Can I ask what is the ideological distinction between being ‘just’ Labour and being Labour and Co-Operative? Is the latter generally more to the left? Is it symbolic more than anything or does the Co-Operative Party have a ‘voice at the table?’ The Co-Operative Party is an affiliated organisation, but unlike the other organisations it's also a political party in its own right. However, it only stands candidates in a fusion arrangement with the Labour Party. Generally I'd say that in factional terms most of those associated with it are on the soft right of the party, though it's not a hard and fast rule. I don't have a particular axe to grind against the Co-Op Party, but it does strike me that when Labour has been in government they haven't really pushed to advance cooperatives and mutuals as much as they could. The previous Labour government created some not great legislation which feels like it was a bit of a sop to keep the money coming in. There is a sound economic case for cooperative enterprises (even from a right wing perspective) and they just don't seem to be making it. |
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Post by polupolu on Feb 16, 2023 12:27:34 GMT
I am ignorant when it comes to this, but genuinely curious. Can I ask what is the ideological distinction between being ‘just’ Labour and being Labour and Co-Operative? Is the latter generally more to the left? Is it symbolic more than anything or does the Co-Operative Party have a ‘voice at the table?’ The Co-Operative Party is an affiliated organisation, but unlike the other organisations it's also a political party in its own right. However, it only stands candidates in a fusion arrangement with the Labour Party. Generally I'd say that in factional terms most of those associated with it are on the soft right of the party, though it's not a hard and fast rule. The Co-operative Party was founded in 1917 by co-operative societies to campaign politically for the fairer treatment of co-operative enterprises. They have had an electoral agreement with the Labour party since 1927 (though they are still officially a separate party). Several MPs were elected as Co-operative Party MPs before the electoral pact (though in practice they took the Labour whip). The party originally grew out of the "Parliamentary Committee of the Co-operative Union", which goes back to 1881.
The "The Labour Party" officially dates from 1906 when 26 MPs adopted the name. It grew out of the "Labour Representation Committee" which was essentially set up by the TUC to back selected candidates.
Not to be confused with the "Independent Labour Party" founded in 1893 - though the two were very intertwined (Keir Hardie was one of the founders of the ILP) until the ILP eventually disaffilliated in 1932.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 16, 2023 12:38:40 GMT
I am ignorant when it comes to this, but genuinely curious. Can I ask what is the ideological distinction between being ‘just’ Labour and being Labour and Co-Operative? Is the latter generally more to the left? Is it symbolic more than anything or does the Co-Operative Party have a ‘voice at the table?’ The Co-Operative Party is an affiliated organisation, but unlike the other organisations it's also a political party in its own right. However, it only stands candidates in a fusion arrangement with the Labour Party. Generally I'd say that in factional terms most of those associated with it are on the soft right of the party, though it's not a hard and fast rule. Never seen it as a soft-right option. I am not of that background anyway. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Feb 16, 2023 12:42:43 GMT
Can't see how, I have looked. Maybe I am being thick. Might need to switch from mobile site if you’re using that I am on my PC - it lets me change my name, not my party. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 16, 2023 12:48:28 GMT
Might need to switch from mobile site if you’re using that I am on my PC - it lets me change my name, not my party. You need to go to the Settings tab, then the Display Group option. |
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Post by batman on Feb 16, 2023 12:52:12 GMT
I left as a fee-paying (as opposed to affiliate) party member due to my spoiling the ballot in 2019 and not then being happy with the election of Keir Starmer. I am now seeing families I know struggle to cope in a way I have not seen for 30 years and need to make a choice. My economic politics are socialist and I want a change of government. I am ignorant when it comes to this, but genuinely curious. Can I ask what is the ideological distinction between being ‘just’ Labour and being Labour and Co-Operative? Is the latter generally more to the left? Is it symbolic more than anything or does the Co-Operative Party have a ‘voice at the table?’ When the SDP was formed in 1983, some right-wing Labour MPs left the Labour Party before joining the SDP rather than simultaneously. I think it was Mike Thomas (Newcastle E) who attempted to stay a Co-operative MP after resigning from the Labour Party - but the Co-op Party said that that was not possible, Co-op MPs all have to be also Labour MPs. |
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Post by batman on Feb 16, 2023 12:53:14 GMT
goodness it's donkey's years since Mike Thomas was heard of - apparently he is still alive and in his late 70s.
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Post by neilm on Feb 16, 2023 13:02:39 GMT
I am on my PC - it lets me change my name, not my party. You need to go to the Settings tab, then the Display Group option. Beat me to it! |
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Post by neilm on Feb 16, 2023 13:12:54 GMT
The Co-Operative Party is an affiliated organisation, but unlike the other organisations it's also a political party in its own right. However, it only stands candidates in a fusion arrangement with the Labour Party. Generally I'd say that in factional terms most of those associated with it are on the soft right of the party, though it's not a hard and fast rule. Never seen it as a soft-right option. I am not of that background anyway. I suspect the perspective may be that a cooperative position is about increasing the labour share through developing and growing enterprises rather than redistributive measures, which puts them on the economic right (in Labour terms). That's my reading of the situation and I might be wrong. There is the added factor that there are people on the actual economic right who support cooperatives, mutuals and so on as a way of building individual involvement in the economy and view it as a way of building a shareowning democracy. This a more continental view admittedly but it isn't that rare a stance especially in academia in the UK. This may also influence some on the left to view the Co-Op Party as being right wing. |
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