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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Nov 2, 2020 0:59:42 GMT
Yes. Thank you very much. Done. Cheers.
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Post by mboy on Nov 2, 2020 12:52:17 GMT
Admin, could you also create the placeholder names for whatever Farage transforms his vehicle into later next year when Covid is passed as an issue?
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Post by Jack on Nov 2, 2020 14:31:51 GMT
Admin, could you also create the placeholder names for whatever Farage transforms his vehicle into later next year when Covid is passed as an issue? Like this is going to be over next year.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Nov 2, 2020 15:39:56 GMT
Admin, could you also create the placeholder names for whatever Farage transforms his vehicle into later next year when Covid is passed as an issue?
I like your optimism on Covid, unfortunately I do not share it.
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Post by mboy on Nov 2, 2020 15:44:15 GMT
Admin, could you also create the placeholder names for whatever Farage transforms his vehicle into later next year when Covid is passed as an issue? I like your optimism on Covid, unfortunately I do not share it.
I realise this. A lot of you sceptics have convinced yourselves that the vaccine will fail because it makes your position vastly more defendable. The good news is you will be proved wrong.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Nov 2, 2020 15:50:39 GMT
I like your optimism on Covid, unfortunately I do not share it.
I realise this. A lot of you sceptics have convinced yourselves that the vaccine will fail because it makes your position vastly more defendable. The good news is you will be proved wrong.
I really hope your right, but based on the government and medical predictions and performance so far, I fail to see your prediction occuring.
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 2, 2020 15:53:03 GMT
I like your optimism on Covid, unfortunately I do not share it.
I realise this. A lot of you sceptics have convinced yourselves that the vaccine will fail because it makes your position vastly more defendable. The good news is you will be proved wrong. You're a little bit too certain here. Whilst it is far more likely than not that at least one of the vaccines currently in trials will work, there is still a non-zero probability of all of them failing.
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Post by mboy on Nov 2, 2020 15:57:04 GMT
I realise this. A lot of you sceptics have convinced yourselves that the vaccine will fail because it makes your position vastly more defendable. The good news is you will be proved wrong. You're a little bit too certain here. Whilst it is far more likely than not that at least one of the vaccines currently in trials will work, there is still a non-zero probability of all of them failing. There is a zero probability of them all failing because trials have already shown pretty much all of them are safer than the virus by a very long way. If all of them were to fail the existing safety thresholds, the thresholds would simply be lowered until some of them can be used. To do otherwise would lead to millions more deaths for little practical benefit.
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Post by thirdchill on Nov 2, 2020 16:22:48 GMT
I like your optimism on Covid, unfortunately I do not share it.
I realise this. A lot of you sceptics have convinced yourselves that the vaccine will fail because it makes your position vastly more defendable. The good news is you will be proved wrong. A slight concern of mine, as far as the vaccine goes, is even with a vaccine and rollout, there has been far too much talk of keeping restrictions, even possibly having lockdowns again if deaths rise in following winters, after a vaccine. It may be pie in the sky and resemble a very hyper-cautious approach but this sort of talk of restrictions for years even with one has filtered through on various platforms and has left some people in despair, wondering if we'll ever get back to any sort of normality. Hopefully SAGE are not going to suggest this.
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Post by mboy on Nov 2, 2020 16:45:22 GMT
Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated (a few million, say) then hospitalisations will become much less common, and deaths also. It would be absurd to launch a lock-down for Covid when there's only 2,000 sufferers in hospital but 3,000 flu sufferers in hospital! The economy is not going to be locked down for any projection of less than 5,000 deaths.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 2, 2020 17:06:01 GMT
Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated (a few million, say) then hospitalisations will become much less common, and deaths also. It would be absurd to launch a lock-down for Covid when there's only 2,000 sufferers in hospital but 3,000 flu sufferers in hospital! The economy is not going to be locked down for any projection of less than 5,000 deaths. With what vaccine? It doesn't exist. So, why are you planning policy on the basis that it inevitably will? Policy should assume no vaccine, ever - not belief in pie in the sky. Just proves that those whose religion is science are typical of all religionists!!
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 2, 2020 17:07:26 GMT
I realise this. A lot of you sceptics have convinced yourselves that the vaccine will fail because it makes your position vastly more defendable. The good news is you will be proved wrong. A slight concern of mine, as far as the vaccine goes, is even with a vaccine and rollout, there has been far too much talk of keeping restrictions, even possibly having lockdowns again if deaths rise in following winters, after a vaccine. It may be pie in the sky and resemble a very hyper-cautious approach but this sort of talk of restrictions for years even with one has filtered through on various platforms and has left some people in despair, wondering if we'll ever get back to any sort of normality. Hopefully SAGE are not going to suggest this. I think that is where the perceived support will fall considerably . I think it already is, far more than polls indicate
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 2, 2020 17:24:01 GMT
Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated (a few million, say) then hospitalisations will become much less common, and deaths also. It would be absurd to launch a lock-down for Covid when there's only 2,000 sufferers in hospital but 3,000 flu sufferers in hospital! The economy is not going to be locked down for any projection of less than 5,000 deaths. With what vaccine? It doesn't exist. So, why are you planning policy on the basis that it inevitably will? Policy should assume no vaccine, ever - not belief in pie in the sky. Just proves that those whose religion is science are typical of all religionists!! Vaccines do exist Mike, they are just being tested to make sure at least one is reliable and safe, and nothing from the combined clinical trials is giving any reason to doubt that at least one will be reliable and safe. You repeat mantra after mantra with no basis in fact because you believe it to be the case and you blankly fail to believe anything that is contrary to said belief. It must be quite a wearing way to view the world.
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Post by maxque on Nov 2, 2020 17:52:11 GMT
Once the vulnerable have been vaccinated (a few million, say) then hospitalisations will become much less common, and deaths also. It would be absurd to launch a lock-down for Covid when there's only 2,000 sufferers in hospital but 3,000 flu sufferers in hospital! The economy is not going to be locked down for any projection of less than 5,000 deaths. With what vaccine? It doesn't exist. So, why are you planning policy on the basis that it inevitably will? Policy should assume no vaccine, ever - not belief in pie in the sky. Just proves that those whose religion is science are typical of all religionists!! Why policy should assume that? Should policy on winter fuel assume summer will never come back?
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 2, 2020 17:56:56 GMT
With what vaccine? It doesn't exist. So, why are you planning policy on the basis that it inevitably will? Policy should assume no vaccine, ever - not belief in pie in the sky. Just proves that those whose religion is science are typical of all religionists!! Vaccines do exist Mike, they are just being tested to make sure at least one is reliable and safe, and nothing from the combined clinical trials is giving any reason to doubt that at least one will be reliable and safe. You repeat mantra after mantra with no basis in fact because you believe it to be the case and you blankly fail to believe anything that is contrary to said belief. It must be quite a wearing way to view the world. The image of Comical Ali comes to mind - the Saddam loyalist proudly claiming that the US would never reach the capital as the tanks rolled in. I have a vision of MerseyMike telling us there is no vaccine as people queue up to receive it.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 2, 2020 17:57:00 GMT
With what vaccine? It doesn't exist. So, why are you planning policy on the basis that it inevitably will? Policy should assume no vaccine, ever - not belief in pie in the sky. Just proves that those whose religion is science are typical of all religionists!! Vaccines do exist Mike, they are just being tested to make sure at least one is reliable and safe, and nothing from the combined clinical trials is giving any reason to doubt that at least one will be reliable and safe. You repeat mantra after mantra with no basis in fact because you believe it to be the case and you blankly fail to believe anything that is contrary to said belief. It must be quite a wearing way to view the world. The vaccines may not work and until we know that is the case, policy should not be dependent on that outcome. I would have thought that was obvious. I hope they do work. But at present we don't know. That's the only "fact" we have.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 2, 2020 17:58:53 GMT
With what vaccine? It doesn't exist. So, why are you planning policy on the basis that it inevitably will? Policy should assume no vaccine, ever - not belief in pie in the sky. Just proves that those whose religion is science are typical of all religionists!! Why policy should assume that? Should policy on winter fuel assume summer will never come back? Daft analogy. The vaccine isn't coming back, at present it does not exist. It's the inevitability or perhaps optimistic assumption I don't get.
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Post by bjornhattan on Nov 2, 2020 18:09:35 GMT
Why policy should assume that? Should policy on winter fuel assume summer will never come back? Daft analogy. The vaccine isn't coming back, at present it does not exist. It's the inevitability or perhaps optimistic assumption I don't get. I do have concerns about a potential vaccine - I think getting one will take longer than we expect even now, I think a lot of people might refuse it which would make it harder for us to ensure enough people to get it, and I'm almost certain the distribution process will be a cock up (no doubt one that gets Dido Harding or another one of Boris' mates very rich). But with the number of vaccines in development, we'd have to be incredibly unlucky to end up without a working one at all.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 2, 2020 18:12:34 GMT
Daft analogy. The vaccine isn't coming back, at present it does not exist. It's the inevitability or perhaps optimistic assumption I don't get. I do have concerns about a potential vaccine - I think getting one will take longer than we expect even now, I think a lot of people might refuse it which would make it harder for us to ensure enough people to get it, and I'm almost certain the distribution process will be a cock up (no doubt one that gets Dido Harding or another one of Boris' mates very rich). But with the number of vaccines in development, we'd have to be incredibly unlucky to end up without a working one at all. Yes. But I'm talking about where we are now, which is that we don't have one. So I don't think policy should make the assumption that will be the inevitable outcome. That's all.
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Post by Jack on Nov 2, 2020 18:18:47 GMT
"Vaccines exist!".
Great. When can the public have it then?
"Um, sometime in the future, maybe".
Useful.
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