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Post by mrhell on Aug 10, 2016 17:19:14 GMT
I am genuinely unsure which answer is most accurate! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 17:24:28 GMT
McCain has a chip on his shoulder
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 10, 2016 17:44:46 GMT
McCain has a chip on his shoulder he's looking a bit crinkly these days... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 19:34:21 GMT
"You know the excuses are bullshit just by the lack of consensus of what Trump "really meant."
- He was talking about NRA lobbying!
- He really meant about going to vote!
- He was taking the position on 2nd Amendment as a stand against tyranny!
Which is it? Meanwhile, everyone who isn't a Trump apologist instinctively reached the same conclusion upon hearing it, as did Trump supporters in the audience."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 19:53:33 GMT
"You know the excuses are bullshit just by the lack of consensus of what Trump "really meant."
- He was talking about NRA lobbying!
- He really meant about going to vote!
- He was taking the position on 2nd Amendment as a stand against tyranny!
Which is it? Meanwhile, everyone who isn't a Trump apologist instinctively reached the same conclusion upon hearing it, as did Trump supporters in the audience." You've put that in quotation marks, where is that a quote from? American poster on other forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2016 19:57:11 GMT
American poster on other forum. Well he's wrong isn't he. He should try just listening to the clip and using his own judgement. No its an accurate observation. Though you are obviously biased. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 10, 2016 21:36:58 GMT
human being than John McCain or George W Bush or either of the Clintons I would argue having the opportunity to leave your prision early because of your family name but choosing to stay and be tortured makes him far more of an honourable man. Bush may have been a reservist and missed combat but I am also sure he's an honourable man. However, it ill behoves young men with no world experience to call or impugn on others honour. You also seem to confuse civility and politness with being terrible sellouts (imagine how worse the honourable Senator McCain would have performed if he said mothing or agreed any moderate would have voted for him.) The vesitages of civilisation are the hallmarks of what I would consider being a true conservative. Meanwhile, whilst a physically broken McCain was having seven bells beaten out of him, Bill Clinton was squirming out of the draft, and Donald Trump managed to find an injury that apparently was going to cause him physical strain and yet curiously wasn't going to interfere with his blossoming baseball career that was seeing him being scouted by Major League teams. Funny old world isn't it? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 10, 2016 21:39:04 GMT
More evidence emerging of Clinton corruption And yet you still don't seem to want to comment on this innuendo when it raises questions about Trump. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 10, 2016 22:16:51 GMT
And yet you still don't seem to want to comment on this innuendo when it raises questions about Trump. No I don't. Perhaps we can have a division of labour. You and other Clinton supporters here can comment on scandals that link to Trump and I can comment on scandals linked to Hillary. I'm not a Hillary supporter. You might recall that I backed Kasich and now prefer Johnson. Try again, old son. The one constant thread is that I think Trump is a crook. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 10, 2016 22:42:53 GMT
Anyway, I'll take up the challenge. We've got Trump University and this fun sworn testimony from...not a perfidious Hispanic out to get him and steal the tinfoil right off his syrup, but like Trump, a German-American: assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2850043/Schnackenberg.pdfwww.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-university-its-worse-than-you-thinkedition.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/eric-schneiderman-attorney-general-trump-university-fraud/The latter link, by the way, is a report of a story on MSNBC, which you might all recognise as the subject of the "more proof of crooked Clinton" post further above, and therefore surely an honest broker. MSNBC themselves have lots of stuff about Trump. Particularly this intriguing story about how Trump appears to be paying himself for use of his own assets: www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/more-ways-one-the-trump-campaign-brokeThen there's Trump's foray into that most trustworthy of businesses, multi-level marketing: www.businessforhome.org/2011/05/trump-network-review-2011/The winery saga: www.washingtonian.com/2015/10/05/greatest-most-amazing-absolutely-huge-story-of-how-donald-trump-took-over-virginias-biggest-vineyard/And the questionable dealings with the Philly mob: edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/And via the sadly unreliable Huffington Post, but many years before he even considered standing for office, further stories of his connections to the Philly Mob and even to a man rumoured to have murdered Jimmy Hoffa: www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/28/donald-trump-rolling-snake-eyes_n_854177.htmlAnd that's before we get to the various accusations of Rachmanism and the collapse of Trump Mortgage. I can only apologise to the forum for such a vast array of links, but I trust you'll all understand that one should respond to a challenge when requested. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 10, 2016 22:47:01 GMT
Anyway, I'll take up the challenge. We've got Trump University and this fun sworn testimony from...not a perfidious Hispanic out to get him and steal the tinfoil right off his syrup, but like Trump, a German-American: Did we mark your 10,000 th post? Mr Whitehead is getting close as well. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Aug 10, 2016 23:20:32 GMT
No I don't. Perhaps we can have a division of labour. You and other Clinton supporters here can comment on scandals that link to Trump and I can comment on scandals linked to Hillary. You seem to have misunderstood the the basis of a discussion forum. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 11, 2016 6:39:36 GMT
Are you suggesting that Germans are less perfidious than Hispanics? People of all races are quite capable of being perfidious. As for MSNBC being an 'honest broker' there is no such thing as an honest broker media outlet. In the US, the UK and around the world all media outlets have their biases. MSNBC (like NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, PBS, NPR, the Huffington Post, the New York Times, the Washington Post etc) is a liberal media outlet with a liberal bias. Other US media outlets are conservative and have a conservative bias (i.e. Fox News, Breitbart, Talk Radio). Between these two sides there is no 'honest broker'. There was quite a heavy dose of irony there. You linked to MSNBC above hence my jokey comment about them being an honest broker. The comment about Germans was a reference to Trump's accusations of racial bias against the judge in the Trump University case. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 7:32:47 GMT
No its an accurate observation. Though you are obviously biased. Actually I'm being a little unfair to you and your friend from the other forum. Its certainly true that if you listen to Trump words and the intonation that he used it is very clear that he is gun rights advocates and their supporters lobbying politically to protect gun rights rather than anything extralegal. However it is also true that if you read the words on a page the meaning is ambiguous and that anyone who was inclined to think the worse of Trump, i.e. the entire liberal media would interpret the words in the worst possible way. If this had been the first time he had done something like that then you could say it was unintentional. However this already happened several times in the Primaries. Trump says something which in context and with his intonation has an innocuous meaning but which is worded in such a way that words can be interpreted in a much less innocuous way. The liberal media naturally interpret in the worst possible way and create a media firestorm. Trump benefits electorally from the media firestorm. Now it is not obvious to me how this media firestorm might boost Trump's poll numbers but it certainly fits the pattern. If you listen carefully he states the Second Amendmenters should take care of Hilary Clinton if she wins. No campaign against her. Not Trumps 1st death threat, the correct psychological term to describe him is Looney Pops, must say the choice of Presidential candidates is underwhelming, vote Trump he is not Clinton, Vote Clinton she is not Trump. |
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Post by neilm on Aug 11, 2016 13:20:18 GMT
No its an accurate observation. Though you are obviously biased. Actually I'm being a little unfair to you and your friend from the other forum. What's this about? What's the other forum? |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Aug 11, 2016 13:27:34 GMT
Are you suggesting that Germans are less perfidious than Hispanics? People of all races are quite capable of being perfidious. As for MSNBC being an 'honest broker' there is no such thing as an honest broker media outlet. In the US, the UK and around the world all media outlets have their biases. MSNBC (like NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, PBS, NPR, the Huffington Post, the New York Times, the Washington Post etc) is a liberal media outlet with a liberal bias. Other US media outlets are conservative and have a conservative bias (i.e. Fox News, Breitbart, Talk Radio). Between these two sides there is no 'honest broker'. You should come to OZ where the commercial channels (7, 9, 10) are all right wing murdoch-esque (and you should see sky news, just search andrew bolt to see aussie conservatism at it's best) and only the two government channels SBS (multicultural channel with SBS 4 just always on news.. in 37 languages) and #ourABC (I'm an ABC loyalist by the way (ABC loyalists are usually upper middle class centre right sydneysiders or Communist melbourners)) who according to the rest of the media is a Communist evil |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 17:52:46 GMT
 Biased liberal media!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 21:20:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 12:24:40 GMT
If rallies won elections, Prime Minister Salmond and Prime Minister Farage would be conducting fascinating talks about EngExist just now. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 12:28:27 GMT
Well CNN does have a very clear liberal bias. Other news outlets with different biases, such as Fox News and Infowars, have covered this story rather differently. Now leaving aside the annoying way that CNN is here using 'Fact check' in the same annoying way that some people say "Fact" or "End of" I'm not sure if you can really dispute that CNN is liberal/centre left news network that is biased in that direction. All media outlets have one bias or another. You're seriously trying to suggest some equivalence between CNN and Infowars as news outlets?  |
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