US Presidential Race 2016 - Partisan Arguments Thread

[gwynthegriff]

Aug 8, 2016 11:01:30 GMT jollyroger93 said:

Aug 8, 2016 10:43:04 GMT @pjones said:

Crimson King hasn't been able to answer me due to blocking me. However it seems the evidence is starting to build up. the big dude is almost certainly Hillary's private doctor

For the third time WHO CARES. Who cares if she has epilepsy! She's 68! It won't effect her ability to governor, and if something did happen to her then Tim Kaine would take over. I don't know what your trying to prove. I think you must have a tin foil hat on.

Tin foil hat?

I fear he wears a tin foil suit.

And drives a tin foil car.

[gwynthegriff]

Aug 8, 2016 16:04:02 GMT @pjones said:

Wasn't there a President in the past who genuinely would have benefited from a stairlift?

And wasn't he highly regarded?

[The Bishop]

Not by quite a few of the US right he wasn't (or indeed, isn't)

[finsobruce]

Aug 8, 2016 20:58:55 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Aug 8, 2016 11:01:30 GMT jollyroger93 said:

For the third time WHO CARES. Who cares if she has epilepsy! She's 68! It won't effect her ability to governor, and if something did happen to her then Tim Kaine would take over. I don't know what your trying to prove. I think you must have a tin foil hat on.

Tin foil hat?

I fear he wears a tin foil suit.

And drives a tin foil car.

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Aug 8, 2016 21:17:06 GMT @pjones said:

Aug 8, 2016 20:58:55 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Tin foil hat?

I fear he wears a tin foil suit.

And drives a tin foil car.

Hillary's health has become an issue in this election. I've put the evidence right in front of you that Hillary does, as many suspect, have serious health problems. In the absence of Hillary publishing her health records its the only evidence available to judge one way or the other what the truth of the matter is. Not sure where you think 'conspiracy theories' are supposed to come into this.

Except that she has published her records. Granted they didn't include a doctor's certified comparison of her health to that of all previous presidents, but Trump can afford the best medical historians. And they are, like, just the best. I love them. I really do.

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Aug 8, 2016 21:17:06 GMT @pjones said:

Aug 8, 2016 20:58:55 GMT gwynthegriff said:

Tin foil hat?

I fear he wears a tin foil suit.

And drives a tin foil car.

Hillary's health has become an issue in this election. I've put the evidence right in front of you that Hillary does, as many suspect, have serious health problems. In the absence of Hillary publishing her health records its the only evidence available to judge one way or the other what the truth of the matter is. Not sure where you think 'conspiracy theories' are supposed to come into this.

'Many suspect' Hillary has health problems because they (and you) have read articles on Breitbart, Drudge Report and The Blaze. The only reason none of these has 'Home of Conspiracy Theories' under their masthead is because of the lawsuits they'd get from the others.

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[Devil Wincarnate]

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Aug 8, 2016 21:49:28 GMT @pjones said:

Aug 8, 2016 21:29:45 GMT definitelyacybernat said:

Except that she has published her records. Granted they didn't include a doctor's certified comparison of her health to that of all previous presidents, but Trump can afford the best medical historians. And they are, like, just the best. I love them. I really do.

No she hasn't published her records. last year she published a letter from her doctor

In a letter, Dr. Lisa Bardack detailed the former secretary of state's medical history, which includes a deep vein thrombosis in 1998 and 2009, seasonal allergies, and a concussion in 2012. Bardack has been Clinton's physician since 2001.

"Mrs. Clinton is a healthy female with hypothyroidism and seasonal allergies, on long-term anticoagulation. She participates in a healthy lifestyle and has had a full medical evaluation, which reveals no evidence of additional medical issues or cardiovascular disease. Her cancer screening evaluations are all negative. She is in excellent physical condition and fit to serve as President of the United States," Bardack wrote.

Clinton's current medications, according to the letter, include Armour Thyroid, antihistamines, Vitamin B-12 and Coumadin, an anticoagulant. Her latest physical exam was March 21, it said.

talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-medical-records

Now the video and photographic evidence suggest that there is more to it than what the letter admits.

Oh, I see. So you want complete records rather than s certified summary. Details like whether she had any premenstrual symptoms and the like. Maybe a pregnancy we never knew anything about. Very sensible.

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Aug 8, 2016 21:53:48 GMT @pjones said:

Aug 8, 2016 21:33:41 GMT jamesdoyle said:

'Many suspect' Hillary has health problems because they (and you) have read articles on Breitbart, Drudge Report and The Blaze. The only reason none of these has 'Home of Conspiracy Theories' under their masthead is because of the lawsuits they'd get from the others.

Many suspect because they can see video and photographic evidence with their own eyes. I have to ask that if you think the evidence I've shown is insufficient to establish that Clinton is lying about her health problems then what would count as sufficient evidence for you?

Yes, what you'ev shown is insufficient. Sufficient evidence would be actual medical evidence, or comments from her physician not some internutjob. Now will you shut up?

[gwynthegriff]

Aug 8, 2016 21:53:48 GMT @pjones said:

Aug 8, 2016 21:33:41 GMT jamesdoyle said:

'Many suspect' Hillary has health problems because they (and you) have read articles on Breitbart, Drudge Report and The Blaze. The only reason none of these has 'Home of Conspiracy Theories' under their masthead is because of the lawsuits they'd get from the others.

Many suspect because they can see video and photographic evidence with their own eyes. I have to ask that if you think the evidence I've shown is insufficient to establish that Clinton is lying about her health problems then what would count as sufficient evidence for you?

Is there a requirement in the American Constitution for the full medical history of presidential candidates to be published?

If not I don't see why her fmh shouldn't remain confidential.

[Richard Allen]

Hilary's health is yet another of those stories that is of interest only to a relatively small number of fruit loops who can't stand her and would never vote for her. The Trumpanzees will continue to come out with one irrelevant line of attack after another but none of them will change the fundamentals of this election and that is that Trump's base of support is simply too narrow for him to win.

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Aug 8, 2016 22:06:33 GMT @pjones said:

Aug 8, 2016 21:57:35 GMT jamesdoyle said:

Yes, what you'ev shown is insufficient. Sufficient evidence would be actual medical evidence, or comments from her physician not some internutjob. Now will you shut up?

Brilliant logic there. If her physician says she's fine, writes a letter to say she's fine and doesn't publish medical records to the contrary the there can be no evidence that would indicate to you that she's ill. If she fell to the floor and started having convulsions and vomiting blood in the middle of a speech you wouldn't see that as evidence that she's ill. You wait for her physician to say if she was ill or not and if they said not you'd just accept that.

@pjones: Trump needs to improve his numbers with either Hispanics, Blacks or college educated white women in order to win. Do you think these groups are likely to overcome their resentment towards Trump if they are convinced Hillary has bad health? If not, what is the point in focusing on this? Which significant groups that aren't already voting for Trump could this influence?

[Devil Wincarnate]

If Hillary has to release her medical records, then the Donald can release his medical records from all four deferments from the draft.  Including the study deferments, where he says he'd liked to have served.

And he could also release the details of his alleged connections to the Philly mob:

edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Aug 8, 2016 22:14:06 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

If Hillary has to release her medical records, then the Donald can release his medical records from all four deferments from the draft.  Including the study deferments, where he says he'd liked to have served.

And he could also release the details of his alleged connections to the Philly mob:

edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/

And his full tax returns.

Which it is suspected will show him telling the IRS that his income was modest and his claims to massive wealth were exaggerations.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

[mrhell]

50 Republican National Security experts warn against Donald Trump www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37016680
One thing going for Trump is that Jeb's son George P Bush has come into line behind Trump www.texastribune.org/2016/08/07/george-p-bush-trump-holdout-urges-support-him/

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Not sure that pointing to a discussion on Sean Hannity's show on Fox News disproves the general theory that Hillary Clinton's health is only raised by conspiracy-minded demagogues on the far right.

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Aug 9, 2016 8:42:12 GMT @pjones said:

Aug 9, 2016 8:32:06 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Not sure that pointing to a discussion on Sean Hannity's show on Fox News disproves the general theory that Hillary Clinton's health is only raised by conspiracy-minded demagogues on the far right.

Well you don't have to take Sean Hannity's word for it. You can see the evidence for yourself.

Anyway these concerns have been dismissed by the likes of CNN and the Washington Post

money.cnn.com/2016/08/08/media/drudge-report-hillary-clinton-fall/index.html

www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/08/armed-with-junk-science-and-old-photos-critics-question-hillaryshealth/

which does nothing to disprove the general theory that these concerns about Hillary's health are only being dismissed by establishment hack propaganda outlets.

Would you please, please, please stop repeating yourself. You have posted your evidence. It has convinced a grand total of zero people. Could we move on please? Ta.

[Richard Allen]

Aug 9, 2016 9:04:10 GMT definitelyacybernat said:

Aug 9, 2016 8:42:12 GMT @pjones said:

Well you don't have to take Sean Hannity's word for it. You can see the evidence for yourself.

Anyway these concerns have been dismissed by the likes of CNN and the Washington Post

money.cnn.com/2016/08/08/media/drudge-report-hillary-clinton-fall/index.html

www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/08/armed-with-junk-science-and-old-photos-critics-question-hillaryshealth/

which does nothing to disprove the general theory that these concerns about Hillary's health are only being dismissed by establishment hack propaganda outlets.

Would you please, please, please stop repeating yourself. You have posted your evidence. It has convinced a grand total of zero people. Could we move on please? Ta.

@pjones talking to himself is the perfect metaphor for the Trump campaign which continues to talk only to those who are going to vote for him while ignoring the people that he needs to win over.