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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 19:41:45 GMT
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Post by john07 on Aug 4, 2016 8:03:12 GMT
They come over here taking our jobs, marrying our property magnates, pinching our First Lady's speeches, ...... Send 'em back I say. |
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Post by iain on Aug 7, 2016 21:48:53 GMT
Please move this stupid argument to the partisan thread
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Post by Richard Allen on Aug 7, 2016 23:04:25 GMT
Please move this stupid argument to the partisan thread If one of the candidates shows signs of brain damage and/or other severe health problems whilst they are on the campaign trail then that is news that is not a partisan argument. If that was happening it would be a valid point but what we are actually seeing is a desperate attempt to make every funny face or slightly unusual head movement into something that it most likely isn't. I am not a doctor but I am pretty sure that diagnosing brain damage requires a lot more than just watching a video of unusually head movements and weird faces. Perhaps Crimson King could offer his expert opinion on whether such a diagnosis is likely to have any validity. I suppose that as Trump's polling numbers continue to crater we will see more and more of this nonsense from the Trumpanzees. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 23:13:45 GMT
I would not like either of them as President. Trump is an oddball who believes in nothing but Trump, and mental health worries or not Clinton should not be running for President at that age, actually feel sorry for the Yanks, what a choice.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 7, 2016 23:19:53 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 7, 2016 23:25:53 GMT
This reminds me of a story from H&WG GC back in the 80s. A delegate was blithering away about something or other when a voice from the back of the room shouted "Shut up! You're Mad!". Said delegate replied "You can't say that! You can't say I'm mad!". Voice from the back "Yes I can. I'm your GP". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 23:38:05 GMT
I would not like either of them as President. Trump is an oddball who believes in nothing but Trump, and mental health worries or not Clinton should not be running for President at that age, actually feel sorry for the Yanks, what a choice. Clinton is younger than Trump. Reagan, Dole and McCain were older when they ran. Romney only 3.5 years younger. Her age shouldn't pose a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 23:43:05 GMT
I would not like either of them as President. Trump is an oddball who believes in nothing but Trump, and mental health worries or not Clinton should not be running for President at that age, actually feel sorry for the Yanks, what a choice. Clinton is younger than Trump. Reagan, Dole and McCain were older when they ran. Romney only 3.5 years younger. Her age shouldn't pose a problem. General health could though plus I just don't trust her but that is based on instinct. |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 8, 2016 4:17:19 GMT
Hillary Clinton is a foul tempered warmonger who has already caused massive devastation across the middle east. Add in likely brain damage to that and you're seriously suggesting the world would be safer with her as President rather than Trump. Even if I were to accept the premise of your question (that she is "foul tempered", a "warmonger" and/or "brain damage[d]"), which I do not necessarily do, then I would say without hesitation that the world would definitely be safer with her as POTUS rather than Trump. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 8, 2016 6:45:59 GMT
Oh dear. The contrived health diagnosis of an opponent is the oldest trick in the American political playbook. Goldwater On The Couch springs to mind.
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Post by Crimson King on Aug 8, 2016 7:12:12 GMT
I'm dubious about giving this obvious desparation any serious attention but of course Richard Allen is correct, making neurological diagnoses is a liitle more complicated than that. Interestingly video monitoring is sometimes uses in the diagnosis of epilepsy, mainly to help distinguish genuine fits from pseudo seizures. I would also throw in that having some sort of tic (which is presumably what is being alleged - I have pjones on block so don't know the full allegations) does not of itself mean there is any imparement of intelectual or moral funcioning |
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Post by jollyroger93 on Aug 8, 2016 11:01:30 GMT
then there was this most recently apparently triggered by protesters, i.e by multiple people talking at the same time Notice that the man who talks to Hillary and encourages her to 'keep talking' is not a Secret Service agent. Its most likely he's some kind of medical attendant, perhaps her doctor. Firstly Secret Service agents guarding Presidential candidates always look in peak physical condition, this guy is clearly somewhat overweight. Secondly the SS agents are their to guard the candidate, certainly not to give them instructions, I can't imagine a SS agent telling Hillary to 'keep talking' that would be against all their work protocols. I didn't know that you are a doctor Crimson King . Do you think that the above videos show seizures and do you think the big dude in the third video is a doctor or other medical professional? Crimson King hasn't been able to answer me due to blocking me. However it seems the evidence is starting to build up. the big dude is almost certainly Hillary's private doctor  For the third time WHO CARES. Who cares if she has epilepsy! She's 68! It won't effect her ability to governor, and if something did happen to her then Tim Kaine would take over. I don't know what your trying to prove. I think you must have a tin foil hat on. |
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Post by jollyroger93 on Aug 8, 2016 11:11:12 GMT
For the third time WHO CARES. Who cares if she has epilepsy! She's 68! It won't effect her ability to governor, and if something did happen to her then Tim Kaine would take over. I don't know what your trying to prove. I think you must have a tin foil hat on. But it may very well effect her ability to govern. Her assistant Huma Abedin stated in leaked e-mails that she is often tired and 'gets confused'. Hahaha ok lets compare that with the utter UTTER shambles that is Donald Trump shall we? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 11:15:10 GMT
For the third time WHO CARES. Who cares if she has epilepsy! She's 68! It won't effect her ability to governor, and if something did happen to her then Tim Kaine would take over. I don't know what your trying to prove. I think you must have a tin foil hat on. But it may very well effect her ability to govern. Her assistant Huma Abedin stated in leaked e-mails that she is often tired and 'gets confused'. Its just not very relevant for the election. Most Democratic voters would prefer Kaine to Clinton and most are voting against Trump, not for Clinton, so it doesn't matter much if she has bad health. It would in a normal election, but this isn't a normal election. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 11:37:16 GMT
Oh dear. The contrived health diagnosis of an opponent is the oldest trick in the American political playbook. Goldwater On The Couch springs to mind. Gordon Brown was mad, Gay, and quite a few other things and was just the back stabbers in Labour. Of course Harold was unwell but they hid it well. Of course the Russian tradition is if you oppose the government you must be mad. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Aug 8, 2016 11:58:32 GMT
But it may very well effect her ability to govern. Her assistant Huma Abedin stated in leaked e-mails that she is often tired and 'gets confused'. Its just not very relevant for the election. Most Democratic voters would prefer Kaine to Clinton and most are voting against Trump, not for Clinton, so it doesn't matter much if she has bad health. It would in a normal election, but this isn't a normal election. I like your thinking there. Maybe both candidates should go around pointing out how likely it is that they will die in mid-term and thereby improve the quality of government by letting the VP take over. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 14:34:31 GMT
For the third time WHO CARES. Who cares if she has epilepsy! She's 68! It won't effect her ability to governor, and if something did happen to her then Tim Kaine would take over. I don't know what your trying to prove. I think you must have a tin foil hat on. But it may very well effect her ability to govern. Her assistant Huma Abedin stated in leaked e-mails that she is often tired and 'gets confused'. Back in October last year, Hillary was questioned for, if I recall correctly, ELEVEN HOURS. During that time she showed no tiredness, no confusion and dealt with every line of questioning so mercilessly that just about everyone except Breitbart agreed she had won comprehensively. So no, I don't think you're following a fruitful line of argument here. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2016 14:40:32 GMT
But it may very well effect her ability to govern. Her assistant Huma Abedin stated in leaked e-mails that she is often tired and 'gets confused'. Back in October last year, Hillary was questioned for, if I recall correctly, ELEVEN HOURS. During that time she showed no tiredness, no confusion and dealt with every line of questioning so mercilessly that just about everyone except Breitbart agreed she had won comprehensively. So no, I don't think you're following a fruitful line of argument here. This entire line of argument re Clinton's mental faculties is based on the exchange in the image below. It's fairly obviously a nonsense conclusion borne of spin. The more rational conclusion is that Abedin was telling Hanley to do her job properly.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 8, 2016 20:58:02 GMT
If your willing to believe that Hillary repeatedly falls over and has health problems, are you willing to believe that Trump's multiple business failures make him a crap businessman?
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