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Sept 26, 2016 20:50:43 GMT
Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 26, 2016 20:50:43 GMT
These are quite similar to my Länder |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 26, 2016 21:27:58 GMT
Newcastle Central was very small as well IIRC, whereas Shirley Williams' seat was huge. Hertford and Stevenage had about 87,620 electors in 1979. Certainly oversized, but probably seemed even larger as it had a turnout above 80%. Both the top two candidates received in excess of 30,000 votes. Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central had an electorate around the 23,680 mark. Preposterously small, but not as bad as Glasgow Central at the time. On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 Buckingham 122,036 Bromsgrove and Redditch 114,731 Basildon 113,584 Newton 112,232 Lichfield and Tamworth 110,380 Horsham and Crawley 109,136 Basingstoke 107,678 South Norfolk 106,583 North Antrim 105,512 Midlothian 105,269 Huntingdonshire 105,023 Rother Valley 104,727 North Down 104,640 Meriden 102,870 Bury St Edmunds 102,641 North Norfolk 102,600 Abingdon 102,381 North Somerset 101,524 East Hertfordshire 101,067 Wirral 100,959 Londonderry 100,534 Don Valley 100,017 Smallest were: Glasgow Central 17,348 Western Isles 22,830 Glasgow Govan 23,980 Newcastle upon Tyne, Central 24,574 Merioneth 27,865 Gateshead West 28,535 Liverpool Scotland Exchange 29,675 Orkney and Zetland 30,145 Caithness and Sutherland 30,499 Glasgow Shettleston 31,103 Glasgow Kelvingrove 32,064 Manchester Central 32,105 Banff 33,283 Glasgow Queen's Park 33,760 Salford East 34,273 Ross and Cromarty 34,912 Abertillery 35,572 Liverpool Edge Hill 35,722 Birmingham Ladywood 35,730 Ebbw Vale 36,145 Edinburgh Leith 36,885 Edinburgh Central 37,425 Newcastle upon Tyne, North 37,497 Montgomery 38,005 Islington South and Finsbury 38,151 Holborn and St Pancras South 38,337 St Marylebone 38,551 Vauxhall 39,320 Liverpool Toxteth 39,698 Salford West 39,839 Manchester Openshaw 39,951 * ie including attainers and service voters |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 26, 2016 21:41:18 GMT
Hertford and Stevenage had about 87,620 electors in 1979. Certainly oversized, but probably seemed even larger as it had a turnout above 80%. Both the top two candidates received in excess of 30,000 votes. Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central had an electorate around the 23,680 mark. Preposterously small, but not as bad as Glasgow Central at the time. On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates were.... Do you know what the old Milton Keynes constituency electorate would have been in 1992 (or indeed 1996) if it had not been split by the interim review? |
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Post by warofdreams on Sept 26, 2016 21:55:12 GMT
At the 1992 election, the Milton Keynes NE electorate was 62,748, and SW was 66,422, so unless I'm missing something, the total for the old seat would have been 129,170.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 26, 2016 22:08:00 GMT
On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates were.... Do you know what the old Milton Keynes constituency electorate would have been in 1992 (or indeed 1996) if it had not been split by the interim review? The interim review used the 1989 electorates (at which point, Milton Keynes constituency had an electorate of 107,011). Can try to estimate it using local election electorates. The old Milton Keynes consisted of the two new constituencies minus the wards of Stoney Stratford, Wolverton, and Wolverton Stacey Bushes. The local electorate in Stony Stratford and Wolverton in the 1992 local elections was 12,556. Wolverton Stacey Bushes only had one councillor and its elections were 1990 and 1994, but the electorate in 1990 was 4,818 and in 1994 was 4,792 so it must have been about 4,800 in 1992. The total electorate in the two new Milton Keynes seats in the 1992 general election was 130,910. So the old Milton Keynes seat would have had an electorate of about 113,500 at the time of the 1992 general election. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 26, 2016 22:14:08 GMT
Hertford and Stevenage had about 87,620 electors in 1979. Certainly oversized, but probably seemed even larger as it had a turnout above 80%. Both the top two candidates received in excess of 30,000 votes. Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central had an electorate around the 23,680 mark. Preposterously small, but not as bad as Glasgow Central at the time. On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 Buckingham 122,036 Bromsgrove and Redditch 114,731 Basildon 113,584 Newton 112,232 Lichfield and Tamworth 110,380 Horsham and Crawley 109,136 Basingstoke 107,678 South Norfolk 106,583 North Antrim 105,512 Midlothian 105,269 Huntingdonshire 105,023 Rother Valley 104,727 North Down 104,640 Meriden 102,870 Bury St Edmunds 102,641 North Norfolk 102,600 Abingdon 102,381 North Somerset 101,524 East Hertfordshire 101,067 Wirral 100,959 Londonderry 100,534 Don Valley 100,017 Smallest were: Glasgow Central 17,348 Western Isles 22,830 Glasgow Govan 23,980 Newcastle upon Tyne, Central 24,574 Merioneth 27,865 Gateshead West 28,535 Liverpool Scotland Exchange 29,675 Orkney and Zetland 30,145 Caithness and Sutherland 30,499 Glasgow Shettleston 31,103 Glasgow Kelvingrove 32,064 Manchester Central 32,105 Banff 33,283 Glasgow Queen's Park 33,760 Salford East 34,273 Ross and Cromarty 34,912 Abertillery 35,572 Liverpool Edge Hill 35,722 Birmingham Ladywood 35,730 Ebbw Vale 36,145 Edinburgh Leith 36,885 Edinburgh Central 37,425 Newcastle upon Tyne, North 37,497 Montgomery 38,005 Islington South and Finsbury 38,151 Holborn and St Pancras South 38,337 St Marylebone 38,551 Vauxhall 39,320 Liverpool Toxteth 39,698 Salford West 39,839 Manchester Openshaw 39,951 * ie including attainers and service voters Lichfield & Tamworth would have around 150,000 electors today. I assume the constituency comprised the whole of both of the eponymous districts. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 26, 2016 22:16:30 GMT
At the 1992 election, the Milton Keynes NE electorate was 62,748, and SW was 66,422, so unless I'm missing something, the total for the old seat would have been 129,170. You are missing something. The new Milton Keynes seats in 1992 included some territory from the 1983-1992 Buckingham constituency. (Not sure whether both did or just one). |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 26, 2016 22:30:02 GMT
Lichfield & Tamworth would have around 150,000 electors today. I assume the constituency comprised the whole of both of the eponymous districts. That seems to be right. It was the boroughs of Lichfield and Tamworth, and the Rural District of Lichfield except the parish of Brindley Heath. The local government reforms in 1972 removed Brindley Heath and added it to Cannock Chase DC, merged the rest of Lichfield RD with Lichfield Borough, and converted Tamworth Borough into a new district. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 26, 2016 22:34:47 GMT
At the 1992 election, the Milton Keynes NE electorate was 62,748, and SW was 66,422, so unless I'm missing something, the total for the old seat would have been 129,170. You are missing something. The new Milton Keynes seats in 1992 included some territory from the 1983-1992 Buckingham constituency. (Not sure whether both did or just one). On the 16/2/89 figures, the old constituencies went like this: Buckingham 72,968 -> BUCKINGHAM 56,583
MILTON KEYNES SOUTH WEST 16,385
Milton Keynes 107,011 -> NORTH EAST MILTON KEYNES 59,541
MILTON KEYNES SOUTH WEST 47,470 |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 26, 2016 23:49:57 GMT
On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 ... Glasgow Central 17,348 How on EARTH were those sorts of numbers justifiable? 132,000 is two whole constituencies, 17,000 is a third quarter! of one. Living in Sheffield for decades where all the seats have always been more-or-less near-enough to 70,000 it just subconsciously sank in that democratic representation automatically mean equal representation, and it's hard for it to sink in that so many places in so much of the rest of the country had seats of such distorted sizes. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 26, 2016 23:56:37 GMT
On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 ... Glasgow Central 17,348 How on EARTH were those sorts of numbers justifiable? 132,000 is two whole constituencies, 17,000 is a third quarter! of one. Living in Sheffield for decades where all the seats have always been more-or-less near-enough to 70,000 it just subconsciously sank in that democratic representation automatically mean equal representation, and it's hard for it to sink in that so many places in so much of the rest of the country had seats of such distorted sizes. On all of the election night programmes up to 1983, virtually no mention was made by any politicians of any stripe about these numbers. It just didn't seem to bother anyone much at the time. |
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Sept 27, 2016 0:49:09 GMT
Post by timrollpickering on Sept 27, 2016 0:49:09 GMT
On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 Buckingham 122,036 Bromsgrove and Redditch 114,731 Basildon 113,584 Newton 112,232 Lichfield and Tamworth 110,380 Horsham and Crawley 109,136 Basingstoke 107,678 South Norfolk 106,583 North Antrim 105,512 Midlothian 105,269 Huntingdonshire 105,023 Rother Valley 104,727 North Down 104,640 Meriden 102,870 Bury St Edmunds 102,641 North Norfolk 102,600 Abingdon 102,381 North Somerset 101,524 East Hertfordshire 101,067 Wirral 100,959 Londonderry 100,534 Don Valley 100,017 When did the Isle of Wight electorate grow to being the largest seat? When did this become "and Shetland"? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 27, 2016 0:49:23 GMT
On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 ... Glasgow Central 17,348 How on EARTH were those sorts of numbers justifiable? 132,000 is two whole constituencies, 17,000 is a third quarter! of one. Think you may be missing something - these were the old constituencies, just before a redistribution was going to take place. Note that in Northern Ireland, the quota was deliberately high, and in Scotland it was deliberately low. |
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Sept 27, 2016 0:50:01 GMT
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 27, 2016 0:50:01 GMT
How on EARTH were those sorts of numbers justifiable? 132,000 is two whole constituencies, 17,000 is a third quarter! of one. Living in Sheffield for decades where all the seats have always been more-or-less near-enough to 70,000 it just subconsciously sank in that democratic representation automatically mean equal representation, and it's hard for it to sink in that so many places in so much of the rest of the country had seats of such distorted sizes. On all of the election night programmes up to 1983, virtually no mention was made by any politicians of any stripe about these numbers. It just didn't seem to bother anyone much at the time. Probably because those constituencies had just been abolished. |
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Sept 27, 2016 0:59:53 GMT
Post by timrollpickering on Sept 27, 2016 0:59:53 GMT
On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 ... Glasgow Central 17,348 How on EARTH were those sorts of numbers justifiable? 132,000 is two whole constituencies, 17,000 is a third quarter! of one. Living in Sheffield for decades where all the seats have always been more-or-less near-enough to 70,000 it just subconsciously sank in that democratic representation automatically mean equal representation, and it's hard for it to sink in that so many places in so much of the rest of the country had seats of such distorted sizes. In the case of South Antrim (and three other seats on the list), this was in part because Northern Ireland was deliberately underrepresented when Stormont was established, with the province dropping from 29(?) to 13 seats, later 12 when the university seats were abolished. The provision was undone in the late 1970s when the Unionists secured an increase from the Callaghan government, but the seats didn't come into effect until 1983. However even within the province there were disparities - in 1982 the Prior Assembly was elected using the-then current constituency boundaries and South Antrim had ten seats whilst Belfast West had just four. The 1970s Assembly & convention on the same boundaries had had a mixture of six and seven member seats but even then South Antrim was oversized at eight. |
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Sept 27, 2016 10:44:36 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Sept 27, 2016 10:44:36 GMT
On all of the election night programmes up to 1983, virtually no mention was made by any politicians of any stripe about these numbers. It just didn't seem to bother anyone much at the time. Probably because those constituencies had just been abolished. Andy might have done better to cite the 1979 GE, tbh. The point is that back then, disparities in constituency electorates were much bigger than in recent years - but this seemed to pass almost without comment. |
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Sept 27, 2016 11:12:34 GMT
Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 27, 2016 11:12:34 GMT
On the 1982 registers (the last electoral registration statistics available on the old boundaries), the largest total electorates* were: South Antrim 132,588 Buckingham 122,036 Bromsgrove and Redditch 114,731 Basildon 113,584 Newton 112,232 Lichfield and Tamworth 110,380 Horsham and Crawley 109,136 Basingstoke 107,678 South Norfolk 106,583 North Antrim 105,512 Midlothian 105,269 Huntingdonshire 105,023 Rother Valley 104,727 North Down 104,640 Meriden 102,870 Bury St Edmunds 102,641 North Norfolk 102,600 Abingdon 102,381 North Somerset 101,524 East Hertfordshire 101,067 Wirral 100,959 Londonderry 100,534 Don Valley 100,017 When did the Isle of Wight electorate grow to being the largest seat? I guess in 1983 when all the other big seats were broken up. I remember being told when I was at school that the Isle of Wight had the largest electorate and Western Isles the smallest so this must have been 1983 or after. I'm surprised it isn't on the list of seats over 100k then, but it wasn't so much the growth of the electorate of the IoW which put it to the top but the redrawing of all the other oversized seats |
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Sept 27, 2016 11:15:57 GMT
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 27, 2016 11:15:57 GMT
Isle of Wight electorate on 1982 register was 94,768.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 27, 2016 11:26:29 GMT
Although figures being talked about are those at the end of a constituency's lifetime, just before a redistribution, there were cases where seats started out with huge disparity. In Northamptonshire for example, the Northampton North and South constituencies which were new in February 1974 had electorates of 48,599 and 43,999 respectively while Daventry had 82,535, Kettering 84,981 and Wellingborough 84,562 were almost twice as large. There may have been some expectation that the elctorate of the Northampton seats would expand but by 1979 Northampton North had only grown to 50,739 and South somewhat more to 51,151. At the same time though the Daventry seat had grown even more to over 90,000. So for most of the period the two Northampton seats had not far off half the electorate of the county seats and the disoparity was at it's greatest when they were new seats. Obviously in 1983 this was addressed by the creation of a new county seat in the form of Corby and also by a willingness to add areas outside Northampton to increase the electorate there. For the review preceding the 1973 changes (which of course actually took place in the 1960s, which may account for some of the disparity) there must have been far more emphasis on maintaining natural communities and far less on equalising electorates
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Sept 27, 2016 11:45:22 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Sept 27, 2016 11:45:22 GMT
Northampton was designated with some sort of "new town" status around that time IIRC?
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