Trivia

[LDCaerdydd]

Clement Davies in Montgomery announced his retirement before dying in office in 1962 if we're going way back.

[greenhert]

Parliamentary by elections for seats that were abolished at the subsequent general election, since 1950:


1953 Broxtowe by election
1954 Croydon East by election
1970 Enfield West by election
1971 Arundel and Shoreham by election
1971 Liverpool Scotland by election
1972 Southwark by election
1973 Manchester Exchange by election
1973 West Bromwich by election
1982 Glasgow Queen's Park by election
1983 Bermondsey by election
1994 Newham North East by election
1994 Monklands East by election
1994 Dudley West by election
1995 Littleborough and Saddleworth by election
1995 Perth and Kinross by election
1996 Barnsley East by election
1996 South East Staffordshire by election

I will update this list next week cometh the release of the 4 Boundary Commissions' final recommendations (since Parliament cannot reject them).

[batman]

Bermondsey still had its Southwark prefix at the time of the by-election. At the general election soon afterwards it became Southwark AND Bermondsey.

[Pete Whitehead]

None of the seats from Bermondsey onwards were meaningfully 'abolished' though, as opposed to having a change of name and in many cases some quite minor boundary changes. It is not like the situation that would occur if the much trailed by-election in Wyre & Preston North happened and there is no meaningful succesor, as happened to Helen McHelone in Queens Park.

[batman]

I must confess I had completely forgotten about Helen McElhone.

[greenhert]

Jun 23, 2023 17:38:34 GMT greenhert said:

Parliamentary by elections for seats that were abolished at the subsequent general election, since 1950:


1953 Broxtowe by election
1954 Croydon East by election
1970 Enfield West by election
1971 Arundel and Shoreham by election
1971 Liverpool Scotland by election
1972 Southwark by election
1973 Manchester Exchange by election
1973 West Bromwich by election
1982 Glasgow Queen's Park by election
1983 Bermondsey by election
1994 Newham North East by election
1994 Monklands East by election
1994 Dudley West by election
1995 Littleborough and Saddleworth by election
1995 Perth and Kinross by election
1996 Barnsley East by election
1996 South East Staffordshire by election

I will update this list next week cometh the release of the 4 Boundary Commissions' final recommendations (since Parliament cannot reject them).

To this list we can now add:

2021 Airdrie & Shotts by-election
2021 Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election
2022 Southend West by-election
2022 Wakefield by-election
2022 Tiverton & Honiton by-election
2022 City of Chester by-election
2023 Somerton & Frome by-election
2023 Selby & Ainsty by-election

And also the Rutherglen & Hamilton by-election of 2023 should it occur (it is conditional on the recall petition re: Margaret Ferrier passing the 10% signature threshold)

[Devil Wincarnate]

Reviewing the Dutch election, I note that Mark Rutte is the Dutch PM with the most recent date of birth, being born in 1967. For some fun context, he was born under an Anti-Revolutionary administration.

But this got me thinking. Which other countries with a parliamentary system are still waiting for a head of government to be born after 1970?

France sneaks in because Édouard Philippe was born in 1970.

Germany now has its youngest Chancellor (born in 1958). Portugal and Poland have also not had a PM born after 1970. The ultimate gerontocracy, Japan, still hasn't had one born after 1960, but its rival Italy has had two born after 1970.

Belgium's last three were unusually all born in 1975.

The UK and Finland jump out as having or having had PMs born in 1980 or later. But there must be more.

[iain]

Jul 12, 2023 22:48:04 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Reviewing the Dutch election, I note that Mark Rutte is the Dutch PM with the most recent date of birth, being born in 1967. For some fun context, he was born under an Anti-Revolutionary administration.

But this got me thinking. Which other countries with a parliamentary system are still waiting for a head of government to be born after 1970?

France sneaks in because Édouard Philippe was born in 1970.

Germany now has its youngest Chancellor (born in 1958). Portugal and Poland have also not had a PM born after 1970. The ultimate gerontocracy, Japan, still hasn't had one born after 1960, but its rival Italy has had two born after 1970.

Belgium's last three were unusually all born in 1975.

The UK and Finland jump out as having or having had PMs born in 1980 or later. But there must be more.

Narendra Modi is the most recently born Indian PM, and he was born in 1950.

[timmullen1]

Jul 12, 2023 22:48:04 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Reviewing the Dutch election, I note that Mark Rutte is the Dutch PM with the most recent date of birth, being born in 1967. For some fun context, he was born under an Anti-Revolutionary administration.

But this got me thinking. Which other countries with a parliamentary system are still waiting for a head of government to be born after 1970?

France sneaks in because Édouard Philippe was born in 1970.

Germany now has its youngest Chancellor (born in 1958). Portugal and Poland have also not had a PM born after 1970. The ultimate gerontocracy, Japan, still hasn't had one born after 1960, but its rival Italy has had two born after 1970.

Belgium's last three were unusually all born in 1975.

The UK and Finland jump out as having or having had PMs born in 1980 or later. But there must be more.

Chris Hipkins, New Zealand, b. 1978
Justin Trudeau, Canada b. 1971
Andrew Holness, Jamaica, b. 1972

are three that struck me as younger than me.

[tiberius]

Jul 12, 2023 23:13:44 GMT iain said:

Jul 12, 2023 22:48:04 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Reviewing the Dutch election, I note that Mark Rutte is the Dutch PM with the most recent date of birth, being born in 1967. For some fun context, he was born under an Anti-Revolutionary administration.

But this got me thinking. Which other countries with a parliamentary system are still waiting for a head of government to be born after 1970?

France sneaks in because Édouard Philippe was born in 1970.

Germany now has its youngest Chancellor (born in 1958). Portugal and Poland have also not had a PM born after 1970. The ultimate gerontocracy, Japan, still hasn't had one born after 1960, but its rival Italy has had two born after 1970.

Belgium's last three were unusually all born in 1975.

The UK and Finland jump out as having or having had PMs born in 1980 or later. But there must be more.

Narendra Modi is the most recently born Indian PM, and he was born in 1950.

Malaysia has not had a PM born after 1960. Until somewhat recently it had a PM in his 90s...the oldest elected head of government in the world.

[Deleted]

Jul 12, 2023 23:13:44 GMT iain said:

Jul 12, 2023 22:48:04 GMT Devil Wincarnate said:

Reviewing the Dutch election, I note that Mark Rutte is the Dutch PM with the most recent date of birth, being born in 1967. For some fun context, he was born under an Anti-Revolutionary administration.

But this got me thinking. Which other countries with a parliamentary system are still waiting for a head of government to be born after 1970?

France sneaks in because Édouard Philippe was born in 1970.

Germany now has its youngest Chancellor (born in 1958). Portugal and Poland have also not had a PM born after 1970. The ultimate gerontocracy, Japan, still hasn't had one born after 1960, but its rival Italy has had two born after 1970.

Belgium's last three were unusually all born in 1975.

The UK and Finland jump out as having or having had PMs born in 1980 or later. But there must be more.

Narendra Modi is the most recently born Indian PM, and he was born in 1950.

India likes its elders even more than Japan, whose current PM is the most recently born, back in July 1957.
Israel tends to go older too, but in 2021 Bennett broke the mould as the very first PM to be born in the second half of the 20th Century, in 1972.

[doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️]

I will happily be corrected, because it's so often done, I think that the Rutherglen by-election ballot is the largest ever in by-elections in Scotland.

[greenhert]

Sept 12, 2023 22:26:03 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

I will happily be corrected, because it's so often done, I think that the Rutherglen by-election ballot is the largest ever in by-elections in Scotland.

You are correct. It has 14 candidates, 1 more than the ballot for the Glasgow North East by election.

[manchesterman]

[Toylyyev]

Sept 15, 2023 12:08:13 GMT manchesterman said:

The first Frankish maior domus with equivalent attributions could be Warnachar II.

The conditional is owed to the little documented times and my poor knowledge thereof. 

The principal manifestion of his executive power was the firing of his first (female) employer.

[jm]

Every registration district in England is now coterminous with, and shares the name of, the upper-tier local authority with the exception of "Wigan and Leigh" (covering Wigan MBC) and "Bradford and Keighley" (covering Bradford MDC)

[greenhert]

May 29, 2023 15:02:46 GMT LDCaerdydd said:

Clement Davies in Montgomery announced his retirement before dying in office in 1962 if we're going way back.

Also as I found out recently, Sir Graham Page.

[Pete Whitehead]

Jun 28, 2023 19:51:17 GMT greenhert said:

Jun 23, 2023 17:38:34 GMT greenhert said:

Parliamentary by elections for seats that were abolished at the subsequent general election, since 1950:


1953 Broxtowe by election
1954 Croydon East by election
1970 Enfield West by election
1971 Arundel and Shoreham by election
1971 Liverpool Scotland by election
1972 Southwark by election
1973 Manchester Exchange by election
1973 West Bromwich by election
1982 Glasgow Queen's Park by election
1983 Bermondsey by election
1994 Newham North East by election
1994 Monklands East by election
1994 Dudley West by election
1995 Littleborough and Saddleworth by election
1995 Perth and Kinross by election
1996 Barnsley East by election
1996 South East Staffordshire by election

I will update this list next week cometh the release of the 4 Boundary Commissions' final recommendations (since Parliament cannot reject them).

To this list we can now add:

2021 Airdrie & Shotts by-election
2021 Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election
2022 Southend West by-election
2022 Wakefield by-election
2022 Tiverton & Honiton by-election
2022 City of Chester by-election
2023 Somerton & Frome by-election
2023 Selby & Ainsty by-election

And also the Rutherglen & Hamilton by-election of 2023 should it occur (it is conditional on the recall petition re: Margaret Ferrier passing the 10% signature threshold)

Has your definition changed from 'Parliamentary by elections for seats that were abolished at the subsequent general election' to 'Parliamentary by elections' ?

[greenhert]

Sept 20, 2023 19:02:09 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Jun 28, 2023 19:51:17 GMT greenhert said:

To this list we can now add:

2021 Airdrie & Shotts by-election
2021 Old Bexley & Sidcup by-election
2022 Southend West by-election
2022 Wakefield by-election
2022 Tiverton & Honiton by-election
2022 City of Chester by-election
2023 Somerton & Frome by-election
2023 Selby & Ainsty by-election

And also the Rutherglen & Hamilton by-election of 2023 should it occur (it is conditional on the recall petition re: Margaret Ferrier passing the 10% signature threshold)

Has your definition changed from 'Parliamentary by elections for seats that were abolished at the subsequent general election' to 'Parliamentary by elections' ?

No it has not, but we know that the seats I mentioned will be abolished for the next general election, and that includes Rutherglen & Hamilton West.

[Pete Whitehead]

Sept 20, 2023 19:07:56 GMT greenhert said:

Sept 20, 2023 19:02:09 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Has your definition changed from 'Parliamentary by elections for seats that were abolished at the subsequent general election' to 'Parliamentary by elections' ?

No it has not, but we know that the seats I mentioned will be abolished for the next general election, and that includes Rutherglen & Hamilton West.

I don't think we 'know' that Old Bexley & Sidcup is being abolished, because it isn't. Nor is Southend West unless you consider the addition of a single ward and a lengthening of the name to constitute 'abolition'. Some of the others are arguable.