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Post by gwynthegriff on May 27, 2022 19:27:07 GMT
Won't fly with current LGBCE criteria, where non 3-seaters for councils electing by thirds are exceptionnal and shouldn't happen, ideally. Why is electing by thirds even a thing? It just results in unwieldily massive wards and a bunch of extra expenses payable to the deputy returning officer. It's madness. It also seems to most infest the places in England with the fewest councillors per elector to start with, just magnifying the ridiculousness of it all. England should be more like Wales here. 1. It keeps councillors on their toes and responsive to the needs of their constituents. 2. It makes for transitions that are more orderly. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 27, 2022 20:44:51 GMT
For those who do this sort of thing, some truly reprehensible seats would be Clackmannanshire and bits of West Fife Kinross-shire and bits of North East Fife Which would leave an equally loathsome Rest of North East Fife and Most of Glenrothes then a remaining bastard constituency of Most of Kirkcaldy and Most of Dunfermline Io shall owe a pint to the dreadful human being who can construct this. You have made this bet knowing that nobody could accomplish this as Fife + Clackmannanshire + Kinrossshire is 4.5 quotas |
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Post by greatkingrat on May 28, 2022 10:47:49 GMT
If you pretend we are still in the old 600 seat review, it might just be possible.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 28, 2022 10:57:38 GMT
Then I owe you a half-pint for coming closest. Are you not allowed 4 x 1.1? Of course not - you are allowed a maximum of 1.049 You would have to bring the rest of Perth & Kinross into the equation but this would mean that no part of Clakmannanshire could be linked to Fife and the arrangements there would be more or less as is. An alternative would be to link Fife and Kinross and Clackmannanshirte with Stirling and Falkirk but even then you could only include one ward from Clackmannanshire with West Fife. I think this is the best you can hope for  |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 28, 2022 12:05:33 GMT
Could always have a Forth Banks constituency or something...
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 28, 2022 13:30:12 GMT
Bear in mind we could actually end up with the west end of Fife linked to Kirkcaldy via Kinross-shire,
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 28, 2022 14:10:01 GMT
I've created a Scottish consituency containing everywhere I've ever lived (in Scotland). I'm sure it's acceptable:  Tarland, Alloa & Bridge of Allan
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 28, 2022 14:21:33 GMT
I've created a Scottish consituency containing everywhere I've ever lived (in Scotland). I'm sure it's acceptable: Tarland, Alloa & Bridge of Allan
It's unusual that you've lived in eight different wards which are all contiguous |
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Post by aargauer on May 28, 2022 15:03:59 GMT
I've created a Scottish consituency containing everywhere I've ever lived (in Scotland). I'm sure it's acceptable: Tarland, Alloa & Bridge of Allan
Trossachs East and Cairngorns South? |
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Post by peterl on May 28, 2022 16:38:13 GMT
Dorset Central. A corridor between where I used to live and where I live now.  |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 28, 2022 17:11:35 GMT
I've created a Scottish consituency containing everywhere I've ever lived (in Scotland). I'm sure it's acceptable: Tarland, Alloa & Bridge of Allan
That's actually quite impressive. I don't think I could do the same in Wales. I'd blow the quota just taking in the Penylan, Rhiwbina, and Llandaf wards of Cardiff. No way I'd get back to Neath after than in any event. |
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Post by nyx on May 29, 2022 1:36:26 GMT
Could always have a Forth Banks constituency or something... Here we go. I split one ward (Cowdenbeath) to avoid horrific ugliness. Constituencies that change names: Dundee East becomes Dundee East and St Andrews; Fife North East becomes East Fife and Kinross; Glenrothes becomes Glenrothes and Kirkcaldy; and finally you get your Forth Banks constituency.  |
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Post by greenchristian on May 29, 2022 5:38:58 GMT
Won't fly with current LGBCE criteria, where non 3-seaters for councils electing by thirds are exceptionnal and shouldn't happen, ideally. Why is electing by thirds even a thing? It just results in unwieldily massive wards and a bunch of extra expenses payable to the deputy returning officer. It's madness. It also seems to most infest the places in England with the fewest councillors per elector to start with, just magnifying the ridiculousness of it all. England should be more like Wales here. What makes you think that election by thirds is the cause of unwieldely massive wards, rather than being the result of thirds elections being more common in urban areas which have larger wards simply because they have larger populations? |
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Post by sirbenjamin on May 29, 2022 18:12:59 GMT
It's very important to ensure that the two IOW seats have equal electorates... While on this page, this has been bugging me for a while. It is very important to ensure that the two IOW seats have equal electorates. But sirbenjamin 's example is very close but not quite right. The exact electorate each constituency needs is 55858. I confess I've found this through a computer program, and I don't yet know whether it's a unique solution or not, but the below is the first solution I've found that creates two connected constituencies with this exact electorate each. There are over 1 million ways of selecting 19/20 wards to have the exact electorate required, but the vast majority of these have at least one non-connected constituency.
Is it too late for me to change my submission to the BCE?
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Post by sirbenjamin on May 29, 2022 18:17:46 GMT
Why is electing by thirds even a thing? It just results in unwieldily massive wards and a bunch of extra expenses payable to the deputy returning officer. It's madness. It also seems to most infest the places in England with the fewest councillors per elector to start with, just magnifying the ridiculousness of it all. England should be more like Wales here. 1. It keeps councillors on their toes and responsive to the needs of their constituents. 2. It makes for transitions that are more orderly.
3. if you're going to have three member wards then it's at least slightly better than electing all three at the same time, which is a truly horrendous electoral system.
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Post by mrpastelito on May 31, 2022 7:23:34 GMT
Could always have a Forth Banks constituency or something... Here we go. I split one ward (Cowdenbeath) to avoid horrific ugliness.Constituencies that change names: Dundee East becomes Dundee East and St Andrews; Fife North East becomes East Fife and Kinross; Glenrothes becomes Glenrothes and Kirkcaldy; and finally you get your Forth Banks constituency.
GSOH as they say.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 31, 2022 13:44:40 GMT
That is impressively awful I shall set a new task. A range of seats where every seat crosses the Yorkshire border and leaves those wholly within Yorkshire within lawful tolerances. Fiddly to do with Boundary Assistant as Yorkshire is bounded on all sides by other regions. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 31, 2022 14:12:08 GMT
That is impressively awful I shall set a new task. A range of seats where every seat crosses the Yorkshire border and leaves those wholly within Yorkshire within lawful tolerances. Fiddly to do with Boundary Assistant as Yorkshire is bounded on all sides by other regions. Not a problem  |
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 31, 2022 15:33:29 GMT
Fiddly to do with Boundary Assistant as Yorkshire is bounded on all sides by other regions. Not a problem Squeee!!!!!!  |
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Post by sirbenjamin on May 31, 2022 15:47:05 GMT
That is impressively awful I shall set a new task. A range of seats where every seat crosses the Yorkshire border and leaves those wholly within Yorkshire within lawful tolerances.
This plan has 37 cross-border partial Yorkshire seats, and 49 intra-Yorkshire seats, all legal:
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