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Post by minionofmidas on May 9, 2016 11:28:48 GMT
Surely you mean 'Tyne Banks'. No, 'Tyne Tunnel'. 'Tyne Banks' would be Newcastle East & Jarrow. ;D |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 9, 2016 15:16:25 GMT
Lab 21277 39.6%
Con 18612 34.6%
UKIP 7745 14.4%
LD 3477 6.5%
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Post by andrewteale on May 10, 2016 7:50:42 GMT
Surely you mean 'Tyne Banks'. No, 'Tyne Tunnel'. 'Tyne Banks' would be Newcastle East & Jarrow. ;D Borrowing a joke from the Pitchfork Bait thread, how about "Geordie Shore"? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 10, 2016 17:38:28 GMT
TBF, Electoral Calculus has Hexham & Blaydon as reasonably securely Labour. Their notionals are famously crap at the best of times and they're entirely untrustworthy in Hexham (they reckon about two-thirds of Oppermann's majority came from Ponteland, which isn't credible). Even so, I still think it'd be marginal at worse - though I'd value Pete Whitehead 's opinion here. I'm not convinced that Gateshead as a borough needs to be kept in two seats - the villages and small towns in the west of the borough are distinct from Gateshead proper in the east. However, I do think that it would be preferable not to divide Gateshead proper in two in the way that my effort did. If you can find a way to do that, I'm all ears (though it probably involves breaching the South Tyneside-Sunderland boundary and putting most of Blaydon in with the west of Newcastle. Interesting that you say that. I would have considered the west of Gateshead to very much be the urban, Newcastle centric part of Gateshead, although maybe the east is relatively more so. I just can't see a cohesive seat that combines parts of Gateshead with places like Hexham and Durham, we are much more linked and closer to Newcastle. If you need Gateshead council wards for other constituencies, I think the best options are Wardley and Leam Lane + Pelaw and Heworth since they are already not part of Gateshead centric constituencies, along with Lamesley + Birtley which are pretty rural and distant from rest of Gateshead. I thought I'd replied to this earlier, but evidently not. I can agree that Lamesley and Birtley are distant from Gateshead, but pairing them with Chester-le-Street doesn't help particularly - you certainly still need a seat going from Durham to Sunderland, you have to add a cross-border Sunderland-South Tyneside seat and I think you'll still need a South Tyneside-Gateshead seat. Happy to see a map showing I'm wrong, but if there is one I'm pretty sure it'll ignore natural boundaries in an awful lot of other towns. As for Wardley & Leam Lane and Pelaw & Heworth, obviously I do agree that they work in a Gateshead seat. But they are part of a contiguous urban area which also covers Felling, Windy Nook & Whitehills, High Fell, Chowdene, Low Fell, Deckham, Saltwell, Bridges, Lobley Hill & Bensham and Dunston & Teams. If two of them can go in with Jarrow, I don't see why the rest can't. And whilst I don't know the west of Gateshead at all (and I only know Gateshead proper very slightly), I don't buy the argument that the west is more urban and Newcastle-centric. Chopwell & Rowlands Gill, Crawcrook & Greenside and Ryton, Crookhill & Stella are all based upon distinct villages and have clear separation from the Newcastle urban area. The same applies to the High Spen part of Winlaton & High Spen. That leaves Blaydon and Winlaton. The bits of Blaydon ward down by the Tyne are mostly industrial rather than residential, and residential development doesn't go down to the river on the other side of the Tyne either. So that doesn't strike me as a natural shared community. Contrast that to Gateshead and central Newcastle, which you can easily walk between and which effectively function as one city centre. |
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Post by jamie on May 10, 2016 18:13:17 GMT
Interesting that you say that. I would have considered the west of Gateshead to very much be the urban, Newcastle centric part of Gateshead, although maybe the east is relatively more so. I just can't see a cohesive seat that combines parts of Gateshead with places like Hexham and Durham, we are much more linked and closer to Newcastle. If you need Gateshead council wards for other constituencies, I think the best options are Wardley and Leam Lane + Pelaw and Heworth since they are already not part of Gateshead centric constituencies, along with Lamesley + Birtley which are pretty rural and distant from rest of Gateshead. I thought I'd replied to this earlier, but evidently not. I can agree that Lamesley and Birtley are distant from Gateshead, but pairing them with Chester-le-Street doesn't help particularly - you certainly still need a seat going from Durham to Sunderland, you have to add a cross-border Sunderland-South Tyneside seat and I think you'll still need a South Tyneside-Gateshead seat. Happy to see a map showing I'm wrong, but if there is one I'm pretty sure it'll ignore natural boundaries in an awful lot of other towns. As for Wardley & Leam Lane and Pelaw & Heworth, obviously I do agree that they work in a Gateshead seat. But they are part of a contiguous urban area which also covers Felling, Windy Nook & Whitehills, High Fell, Chowdene, Low Fell, Deckham, Saltwell, Bridges, Lobley Hill & Bensham and Dunston & Teams. If two of them can go in with Jarrow, I don't see why the rest can't. And whilst I don't know the west of Gateshead at all (and I only know Gateshead proper very slightly), I don't buy the argument that the west is more urban and Newcastle-centric. Chopwell & Rowlands Gill, Crawcrook & Greenside and Ryton, Crookhill & Stella are all based upon distinct villages and have clear separation from the Newcastle urban area. The same applies to the High Spen part of Winlaton & High Spen. That leaves Blaydon and Winlaton. The bits of Blaydon ward down by the Tyne are mostly industrial rather than residential, and residential development doesn't go down to the river on the other side of the Tyne either. So that doesn't strike me as a natural shared community. Contrast that to Gateshead and central Newcastle, which you can easily walk between and which effectively function as one city centre. I agree with a lot of what you said. I'm just holding out hope that they can can find a way to not divide Gateshead up into so many constituencies but if they have to then I hope they do it well. Tbh, your plan is probably as good as it gets. A few points on urbanisation of the area. While it is industrial areas right next to the river, for Blaydon you only need to go 50 or so metres to get to residential property which are right next to the shopping areas and not very far from the industrial land. While there is some room between the western Gateshead villages, they are really all interconnected. The vast majority of people will commute for work elsewhere, to schools in different villages etc. The space between villages is usually just dividing the poorer areas (Winlaton + Chopwell) from the richer areas (Rowlands Gill and High Spen) and they all ultimately easily connect to Newcastle. Bensham (and by extension Lobley Hill) and Saltwell are all the same area and Bensham in the past was really just part of Saltwell. Dunston and Whickham wards are similar for obvious reasons. Therefore, these sorts of wards need to stay together. I understand that it is largely all urban but i think the Boundary Commission need to at least keep distinct areas together like Dunston, Whickham, Bensham/Saltwell etc. |
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Post by islington on Jun 15, 2016 17:43:05 GMT
 NE-A (Northumberland, Newcastle, Gateshead, S Tyneside): 668595 = 8.94 = 9I'm extremely grateful to EAL for suggesting this arrangement, by far the best way I've seen of avoiding a seat of Tyne Bridge (or Tyne Tunnel). BERWICK AND MORPETH - 73286 BLYTH - 71791 GATESHEAD EAST AND JARROW - 74770 GATESHEAD WEST - 75965 HEXHAM AND BLAYDON - 76174 NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE EAST - 72409 NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE NORTH AND BEDLINGTON - 75979. The name's a terrible mouthful; I have toyed with 'Mid Northumberland'. NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE WEST - 77078 SOUTH SHIELDS - 71143 NE-B (N Tyneside): 151045 = 2.02 = 2TYNEMOUTH - 74618 WALLSEND - 76427  NE-C (Cleveland, Durham, Sunderland): 979827 = 13.10 = 13BISHOP AUCKLAND - 73563 CHESTER-LE-STREET AND WASHINGTON - 78216 CONSETT - 77901 DURHAM - 77481 EASINGTON - 76117 HARTLEPOOL - 74302 MIDDLESBROUGH - 71751 REDCAR AND CLEVELAND - 77879 SEDGEFIELD AND BILLINGHAM - 78309 STOCKTON - 75818 SUNDERLAND NORTH - 72096 SUNDERLAND SOUTH - 72637 THORNABY - 73757 NE-D (Darlington): 74929 = 1.00 = 1DARLINGTON - 74929 |
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Post by Adrian on Jun 15, 2016 20:32:06 GMT
EAL's/your plan for Northumberland+Newcastle is one of my two favourite arrangements for this area; I'd put Bedlington in with Blyth though.
In Durham+Sunderland, I think splitting the Houghton area between 3 seats is a bit unecessary.
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Post by islington on Jun 16, 2016 9:11:47 GMT
Adrian
1 - Give EAL the credit for N'land/Newcastle, not me. He invented the scheme; I merely stole it.
2 - Re Houghton: I don't think I have split it three ways. Houghton itself lies almost wholly in the Houghton and Copt Hill wards, both of which I have in Sunderland South. I concede that Houghton also spills over into Hetton ward, which I've put in Easington, but it's a relatively small area on the town's southern fringe. So it's a two-way split at worst. A more serious drawback is that not all of Hetton is in the eponymous ward; much of the northern part of the town is in Copt Hill, so this town is also divided (but two ways, not three). I'd be curious to know why the wards have been drawn in such a perverse way, since I should have thought it would be possible, in terms of numbers, for the Hetton ward to include the whole of Hetton, and none of Houghton - but there it is. And in extenuation of this less-than-perfect boundary is the fact that treating Hetton ward separately from the rest of Sunderland allows a better plan overall: specifically, the Chester/Washington tie-up, an Easington seat that doesn't have to spread west in the direction of Durham city, and a Durham seat with the city squarely in the middle of it.
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Post by La Fontaine on Jun 16, 2016 16:30:13 GMT
"Mid Northumberland" could be Ponteland. Then everyone would think they lived in a posh constituency. It's a hotchpotch, but could be a runner.
"Gateshead West" should be "Gateshead Central". Areas west of the Derwent have got used to being in Gateshead - west Gateshead - after 42 years.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 22, 2016 11:59:30 GMT
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 7:33:31 GMT
I shall be submitting a plan which DOES NOT CROSS THE TYNE
PS I am using old districts (pre-2009)
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 24, 2016 7:34:20 GMT
I shall be submitting a plan which DOES NOT CROSS THE TYNE The plan for the Tyne is all mine, all mine, the plan for the Tyne is all mine |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 7:36:35 GMT
Northumberland & Newcastle Berwick-upon-Tweed 74900 Wansbeck 76566 Blyth Valley 77824 North Shields 76111 Newcastle-upon-Tyne North 76191 Newcastle-upon-Tyne East 72706 Newcastle-upon-Tyne West 77312  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 7:46:39 GMT
I shall be submitting a plan which DOES NOT CROSS THE TYNE The plan for the Tyne is all mine, all mine, the plan for the Tyne is all mine NO IT IS NOT MWA HA HAMWA HA HA
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 8:40:38 GMT
Durham, Gateshead & Sunderland Houghton & Sunderland South 71462 Sunderland Central 77998 Washington & Sunderland West 74867 South Shields & Sunderland North 72769 Gateshead East & Jarrow 76233 Gateshead West & Blaydon 76201 Chester-le-Street 73043 Derwentside 72962 Durham 73898 Dales of Tyne, Tees & Wear 71293 (How very doktorb) alternatively Bishop Auckland & Hexham Easington 73890 Hartlepool 71076 Sedgefield 76579 Hartlepool 74287 Stockton-on-Tees 75456  |
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Post by Adrian on Jul 6, 2016 15:42:05 GMT
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Post by jamie on Jul 9, 2016 16:55:33 GMT
How do you post images on ProBoards? I've created a boundary plan for the region but I can't seem to post screenshots like others have.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 10, 2016 13:02:18 GMT
How do you post images on ProBoards? I've created a boundary plan for the region but I can't seem to post screenshots like others have. You need to upload them to somewhere else. |
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Post by islington on Jul 10, 2016 21:24:09 GMT
Jamie, I uploaded the screenshots into Photobucket, which is free to use (although beset by annoying adverts). Once you open the image on Photobucket, it gives you the option of sharing the image. Click the bottom box (IMG) and you can then paste into your post.
I'm sure there are other ways of doing it, but that's what worked for me.
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Post by jamie on Jul 12, 2016 23:46:46 GMT
    I started by creating 2 Gateshead constituencies of Gateshead West and Prudhoe (the later is a small part of Northumberland) and Gateshead East. I then created a new Hexham seat of Consett + Hexham + Ponteland. This significantly increases the electorate as it expands the seat into Durham County Council. I then created a new Berwick and Morpeth seat by removing some western rural areas from the old Hexham constituency and by removing the Morpeth area from the old Wansbeck constituency. I also created a Blyth and Bedlington constituency from the old Blyth Valley constituency and the old Wansbeck constituency. Therefore, Wansbeck has been eliminated. South of Blyth and Bedlington, i have created a reformed Tynemouth and Whitley Bay constituency from the old Tynemouth constituency and south of the old Blyth Valley constituency. Also removed from Blyth Valley is Cramlington which, along with suburban North Tyneside and north-eastern Newcastle, forms a new Benton and Cramlington constituency. Nearby, i also create a North Shields and Wallsend constituency from parts of the old Newcastle East constituency and Tynemouth constituency and North Tyneside constituency. Situated solely within the city itself, we are then left with Newcastle West and Newcastle Central. South of the Tyne, i ended up significantly changing many constituencies. Previously, there was South Shields, Jarrow along with Sunderland West and Washington. There are now constituencies of Jarrow and South Shields, Boldon + Hebburn + Washington. Sunderland is now Sunderland Central along with Seaham and Sunderland South. Continuing south, there is now a new combined Easington and Houghton constituency. West of this is a largely intact Durham North that has been renamed Chester-le-Street constituency. South of this is the Durham constituency. As may be clear, Durham North-West constituency no longer exists. South of this is a virtually unchanged Bishop Auckland constituency. Similarly, east of this is largely unchanged Darlington. east of this is a lengthy (north to south) Sedgefield constituency which takes in parts of the old Stockton North and Stockton South seats. Nearby Hartlepool is basically unchanged. I've abolished Stockton South. Instead, it has been split between Billingham and Stockton North, the previously mentioned Sedgefield constituency, new Middlesbrough North and new Middlesbrough South constituencies. Finally, we are left with Redcar constituency. I know these are not the best presented maps/explanations so i am happy to answer any questions. My main aim was to create more compact constituencies and constituencies which make more sense from my local knowledge than what they currently are/others have suggested. Finally, i'd like to thank islington for telling me how to post pictures. Full list: Gateshead West Gateshead East Consett, Hexham and Ponteland Berwick and Morpeth Bedlington and Blyth Tynemouth and Whitley Bay North Shields and Wallsend Benton and Cramlington Newcastle West Newcastle Central Jarrow and South Shields Boldon, Hebburn and Washington Sunderland Central Seaham and Sunderland South Easington and Houghton Chester-le-Street Durham Hartlepool Sedgefield Billingham and Stockton Middlesbrough North Middlesbrough South Redcar Darlington Bishop Auckland |
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