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Post by kevinlarkin on May 8, 2016 18:10:39 GMT
Killamarsh West, NE Derbys.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on May 8, 2016 19:09:16 GMT
Some polling district boundaries would make for interesting constituency shapes if used to split wards.  That reminds me of maps I've seen of some really heavily gerrymandered U.S. congressional districts. |
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Post by Adrian on May 8, 2016 19:53:29 GMT
The latest version of Boundary Line from Ordnance Survey has the boundaries of every polling district in England. There are 31826 of them in case you were wondering.  How soon till you launch Boundary Assistant Professional Edition, Kevin, and will it be more than £19.99? |
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Post by Khunanup on May 9, 2016 1:37:09 GMT
One of my ward's polling districts has a completely detached part (just five houses but even so...).
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Post by minionofmidas on May 9, 2016 11:33:51 GMT
Some polling district boundaries would make for interesting constituency shapes if used to split wards. So where the blazes is that??  And why is it shaped like that?? |
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Post by Crimson King on May 9, 2016 12:07:48 GMT
what I was going to ask
the 'detached 5 houses' situation is usually simply a mistake in my experience, and usually but right at the earliest opportunity (for example there are a few new builds in the ward next to mine which have been placed in mine, similar has happened within the ward between PDs) but that shape is crazy - unless it is an artefact of the way the programme generates the map and the unincluded areas are open land or something
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Post by andrewteale on May 9, 2016 13:01:11 GMT
This is the village of Westhorpe, which from its road network has the look of a fairly new housing estate. I wonder whether there was originally one polling district, which got too large and was split into two along the lines of streets beginning with A-M in one district and streets beginning with N-Z in the other.
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Post by minionofmidas on May 9, 2016 13:29:32 GMT
Upperthorpe with parts along the outskirts (all sides except that bordering Upperthorpe) of Westthorpe, rather. Seriously bizarre.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 9:46:57 GMT
Apologies if this is already up some where.
But what is the actual process.
2018 is the target year, but is there a date for it?
Does the new constituencies have to be passed by parliament?
What if they get voted down?
At what point would they have to say can't get it done this time around and stay with the 650 we have now?
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Post by La Fontaine on May 16, 2016 10:09:46 GMT
One ward boundary in Gateshead was wrongly drawn 30 years ago because an outdated map was used, which I noticed at the time, but too late to do anything about it. Now it's still like that, but it's only a polling district boundary. It does mean 15 or so electors have had further to walk for all this time!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 16, 2016 12:08:22 GMT
Apologies if this is already up some where. But what is the actual process. 2018 is the target year, but is there a date for it? Yes. The Commissions must report by 1 October 2018. Yes. They require approval of an Order establishing the new constituencies. Existing constituencies continue. The Boundary Commissions are under a legal duty to recommend changes by 1 October 2018. What happens to their recommendations is something they can't control. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 13:28:22 GMT
Thanks for your reply Davıd Boothroyd Just wondering of timescale that was all. with elections due 2020 when the 2015 one came around some people had already been PPC for a constituency and starting to work the area some 2 years before. With 1st Oct being the latest for a report and then having to go thru parliament I wondered if people have a thought on what chance this have of actually all happening? |
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Post by Crimson King on May 16, 2016 13:34:23 GMT
Given that the Conservatives have a Majority in the HoC, and they are pretty keen on it I'd say every chance. Obviously there will be some last minute seat shuffling as a result but that is why the timetable specifies report by October 2018, to give time for that (we may not think it is long enough, for organisational or campaigning reasons, but that is neither her nor there)
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 14:36:20 GMT
Given that the Conservatives have a Majority in the HoC, and they are pretty keen on it I'd say every chance. Obviously there will be some last minute seat shuffling as a result but that is why the timetable specifies report by October 2018, to give time for that (we may not think it is long enough, for organisational or campaigning reasons, but that is neither her nor there) By then if there is a couple of by elections lost by the Conservatives and the majority is cut, at what point to do they have to say, lets not bother. and stay with what we have? When constituencies have changed in the past, what has been the minimum time between forming constituency and election using that boundary? |
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Post by La Fontaine on May 18, 2016 6:43:55 GMT
Given that the Conservatives have a Majority in the HoC, and they are pretty keen on it I'd say every chance. Obviously there will be some last minute seat shuffling as a result but that is why the timetable specifies report by October 2018, to give time for that (we may not think it is long enough, for organisational or campaigning reasons, but that is neither her nor there) By then if there is a couple of by elections lost by the Conservatives and the majority is cut, at what point to do they have to say, lets not bother. and stay with what we have? When constituencies have changed in the past, what has been the minimum time between forming constituency and election using that boundary? There were only a few weeks in 1983 because of Michael Foot's futile and ludicrous legal challenge. We had to form CLPs and adopt candidates with unseemly haste. |
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Post by greenhert on May 22, 2016 13:17:16 GMT
Two important factors within the 2018 review will be 1) how many constituencies will be able to remain intact (even if their name is changed or if they are internally adjusted for ward boundary changes) and 2) how many constituencies will be abolished (I do not mean just name changes, I mean constituencies divided up for ''spare parts'').
Apart from the legally protected constituencies, I believe the following should be able to remain intact(name changes are in brackets):
East Midlands (10/44):
Bassetlaw
Grantham
Harborough
High Peak
Leicester East
Leicester South
Leicestershire North West
Mansfield
South Holland & The Deepings
Wellingborough* (Wellingborough & Rushden)
East of England (8/57):
Bedfordshire South West*
Chelmsford
Colchester
Suffolk Coastal
Suffolk South
Suffolk West Thurrock (Grays Thurrock)
Waveney (Lowestoft)
London (10/68):
Bethnal Green & Bow*
Chipping Barnet
Hackney North & Stoke Newington*
Hackney South & Shoreditch*
Hornchurch & Upminster Ilford South
Kingston & Surbiton
Poplar & Limehouse*
Richmond Park
Twickenham
North West England (7/68):
Chorley
City of Chester*
Leigh
Makerfield
St Helens North
St Helens South & Whiston
Wigan
North East England (2/25):
North Tyneside (Wallsend)
Tynemouth
Northern Ireland (1/17):
Fermanagh & South Tyrone*
Scotland (2/51):
East Lothian
Kilmarnock & Loudoun
South East England (17/81):
Basingstoke
Bognor Regis & Littlehampton
Eastbourne
Eastleigh
Epsom & Ewell
Fareham
Gosport
Guildford
Hastings & Rye
Mole Valley (Dorking) Reigate
Rochester & Strood
Slough
Surrey East
Surrey South West
Witney Woking
South West England (11/53):
Bristol North West
Bristol South
Cheltenham
Devon North
Dorset West
Exeter
Somerset North (Somerset North West)
Somerton & Frome
Torbay (Torquay)
Weston-Super-Mare
Yeovil
West Midlands (9/53):
Bromsgrove
Burton Cannock Chase
Coventry North East
Shrewsbury & Atcham* (Shrewsbury)
Shropshire North* (Oswestry)
Staffordshire South (Staffordshire South West)
Sutton Coldfield
Wyre Forest
Yorkshire & The Humber (9/50):
Batley & Spen
Beverley & Holderness
Harrogate & Knaresborough
Richmond* (Richmond & Northallerton)
Selby & Ainsty
Skipton & Ripon
York Central
York Outer
Yorkshire East (Bridlington)
Total unchanged constituencies: 85.
*Minor adjustments for ward boundary changes only. |
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Post by La Fontaine on May 22, 2016 14:27:22 GMT
I would add Sunderland Central in the north east.
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Post by Crimson King on May 22, 2016 14:51:28 GMT
but you can't just exclude a load of constituencies just because they fall within the limit, you have to take into account the knock on effects. To give a redutio ad absurdam' what if 5 'ok' constituences surrounded one which was too small
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Post by greenhert on May 22, 2016 15:24:24 GMT
Crimson King, I did take this into account when drawing up that list. For the reason you have given above, constituencies like Thirsk & Malton, Leicestershire South and Hertford & Stortford are not on that list.
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Post by La Fontaine on May 22, 2016 15:46:47 GMT
And nor is Stockton South on mine.
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