Town and Community Council Byelections

[carolus]

Cornwall, Truro, Tregolls. Green 367, LD 346

[Tony Otim]

Jan 20, 2023 12:33:41 GMT carolus said:

Cornwall, Truro, Tregolls. Green 367, LD 346

2021 result had been: Ind 1468; Con 571, 513; LD 516, 468, 449; Grn 505; Lab 418; Insurance Broker, Environmentalist, Independent 336 (1 Ind, 2 Con, 3 Ld and 1 Grn elected)

Not sure who was defending here.

[lackeroftalent]

Jan 20, 2023 13:10:43 GMT Tony Otim said:

Jan 20, 2023 12:33:41 GMT carolus said:

Cornwall, Truro, Tregolls. Green 367, LD 346

2021 result had been: Ind 1468; Con 571, 513; LD 516, 468, 449; Grn 505; Lab 418; Insurance Broker, Environmentalist, Independent 336 (1 Ind, 2 Con, 3 Ld and 1 Grn elected)

Not sure who was defending here.

It was Martin Wilkins, who was the third of the Lib Dems elected in 2021 who resigned.

[listener]

I regret to report that Gregory Ebbs (Lib Dem) (Whitchurch Town Council, Shropshire) was fired by Lord Sugar after the second exercise.

[tonyhill]

I think it was the third actually. I thought it was a mistake - he was really entertaining in a LibDem sort of way, but maybe you have to be a LibDem to appreciate it.

[jamie]

Jan 23, 2023 17:29:28 GMT tonyhill said:

I think it was the third actually. I thought it was a mistake - he was really entertaining in a LibDem sort of way, but maybe you have to be a LibDem to appreciate it.

He was fired for doing little apart from a few minor suggestions/complaints. Not sure I would have fired him (he was good week 1), Sugar’s 3 firings so far this series seem to be avoiding the people actually to blame for their teams losses, instead targeting people who didn’t adapt to the situations. 

[Deleted]

Isn't the ability to get someone else blamed for your cock up about 90% of surviving in business though? Bit like politics really!

[finsobruce]

Jan 23, 2023 17:07:00 GMT listener said:

I regret to report that Gregory Ebbs (Lib Dem) (Whitchurch Town Council, Shropshire) was fired by Lord Sugar after the second exercise.

Cue a bar chart to show that only he can win there?

[carolus]

7 February:
Wiltshire, Calne, Chilvester & Abberd. Lab, LD

9 February:
Carmarthenshire, Llandybie, Llandybie. LD, PC

Denbighshire, Rhyl, Rhyl Tynewydd. Con, Lab, Ind

16 February:

Conwy, Llandudno, Mostyn. Con, Lab.

Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Skenfrith (2). Green*, []*

Cornwall, Saltash, Essa. Saltash Taxpayers Alliance*

Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Cross Ash (3). Ind*, 2x []*

Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Llanvetherine (2). Ind*, []*

[carolus]

7 February:
Wiltshire, Calne, Chilvester & Abberd. Lab, LD

9 February:
Carmarthenshire, Llandybie, Llandybie. LD, PC
Denbighshire, Rhyl, Rhyl Tynewydd. Con, Lab, Ind

16 February:
Conwy, Llandudno, Mostyn. Con, Lab.

Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Skenfrith (2). Green*, []*

Cornwall, Saltash, Essa. Saltash Taxpayers Alliance*
Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Cross Ash (3). Ind*, 2x []*

Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Llanvetherine (2). Ind*, []*

23 February:

Cornwall, Helston, South. Green*

Cornwall, Torpoint, East. 2x []

Wrexham, Broughton, Bryn Cefn. 2x[]

Buckinghamshire, Chalfont St Peter, Gold Hill. Independent Volunteer*

[carolus]

Wiltshire, Calne, Chilvester & Abberd. LD 616*, Lab 234

[carolus]

9 February:
Carmarthenshire, Llandybie, Llandybie. LD, PC
Denbighshire, Rhyl, Rhyl Tynewydd. Con, Lab, Ind

16 February:
Conwy, Llandudno, Mostyn. Con, Lab.

Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Skenfrith (2). Green*, []*

Cornwall, Saltash, Essa. Saltash Taxpayers Alliance*
Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Cross Ash (3). Ind*, 2x []*
Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Llanvetherine (2). Ind*, []*

23 February:
Cornwall, Helston, South. Green*

Cornwall, Torpoint, East. 2x []
Wrexham, Broughton, Bryn Cefn. 2x []

Buckinghamshire, Chalfont St Peter, Gold Hill. Independent Volunteer*

2 March:

Carmarthenshire, Llanon, Cross Hands (2). 2x LD, Lab, PC

Carmarthenshire, Llannon, Tumble. Lab, LD, PC

King's Lynn & West Norfolk, Great Massingham (2). ?

[carolus]

Carmarthenshire, Llandybie, Llandybie. PC 322, LD 248
Denbighshire, Rhyl, Rhyl Tynewydd. Lab 375, Con 368, Ind 101

[yellowperil]

Feb 10, 2023 14:50:46 GMT carolus said:

Carmarthenshire, Llandybie, Llandybie. PC 322, LD 248
Denbighshire, Rhyl, Rhyl Tynewydd. Lab 375, Con 368, Ind 101

Do I take it that the Rhyl election was on the same boundaries as the district one the same day? The different outcome if so is interesting.

[Pete Whitehead]

Feb 10, 2023 15:55:26 GMT yellowperil said:

Feb 10, 2023 14:50:46 GMT carolus said:

Carmarthenshire, Llandybie, Llandybie. PC 322, LD 248
Denbighshire, Rhyl, Rhyl Tynewydd. Lab 375, Con 368, Ind 101

Do I take it that the Rhyl election was on the same boundaries as the district one the same day? The different outcome if so is interesting.

Not particularly. There'll naturally be a small amount of churn, but essentially the Conservative, Labour and Independent candidates (it was the same Independent candidate in both contests) will have held most of the votes they won in the CC election and then you have 100 voters for Plaid to redistribute (the handful of Lib Dems aren't worth mentioning). Its not particularly remarkable that they would tend to favour Labour over the Conservatives although they actually appear to have broken fairly evenly. Its the difference between a 7 vote lead for one party in one contest and an 11 vote lead for the other in the other. Essentially neck and neck in both.

[Tony Otim]

Feb 10, 2023 15:55:26 GMT yellowperil said:

Feb 10, 2023 14:50:46 GMT carolus said:

Carmarthenshire, Llandybie, Llandybie. PC 322, LD 248
Denbighshire, Rhyl, Rhyl Tynewydd. Lab 375, Con 368, Ind 101

Do I take it that the Rhyl election was on the same boundaries as the district one the same day? The different outcome if so is interesting.

There were 3 fewer valid votes in the county election than in the town council one, which is slightly odd, otherwise the differences in votes were:

No PLaid (101) or LD (5) compared to the Denbighshire one.

Lab +49
Con +31
Ind +29

[yellowperil]

Feb 10, 2023 18:00:44 GMT Pete Whitehead said:

Feb 10, 2023 15:55:26 GMT yellowperil said:

Do I take it that the Rhyl election was on the same boundaries as the district one the same day? The different outcome if so is interesting.

Not particularly. There'll naturally be a small amount of churn, but essentially the Conservative, Labour and Independent candidates (it was the same Independent candidate in both contests) will have held most of the votes they won in the CC election and then you have 100 voters for Plaid to redistribute (the handful of Lib Dems aren't worth mentioning). Its not particularly remarkable that they would tend to favour Labour over the ConsOkayOkayervatives although they actually appear to have broken fairly evenly. Its the difference between a 7 vote lead for one party in one contest and an 11 vote lead for the other in the other. Essentially neck and neck in both.

Okay, when I said interesting I didn't mean that much by it- some of us can get interested in some pretty small beer, as maybe now has been sufficiently  demonstrated. I'm always interested when a small but identifiable group of voters come to different conclusions at the margins in this way, and the fact we are dealing with tiny numbers and two very close races makes it a manageable case study- much smaller and it would come dangerously close to being able to identify individual voters.

[carolus]

16 February:
Conwy, Llandudno, Mostyn. Con, Lab.

Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Skenfrith (2). Green*, []*

Cornwall, Saltash, Essa. Saltash Taxpayers Alliance*
Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Cross Ash (3). Ind*, 2x []*
Monmouthshire, Skenfrith, Llanvetherine (2). Ind*, []*

23 February:
Cornwall, Helston, South. Green*

Cornwall, Torpoint, East. 2x []
Wrexham, Broughton, Bryn Cefn. 2x []

Buckinghamshire, Chalfont St Peter, Gold Hill. Independent Volunteer*

2 March:
Carmarthenshire, Llanon, Cross Hands (2). 2x LD, Lab, PC
Carmarthenshire, Llannon, Tumble. Lab, LD, PC

King's Lynn & West Norfolk, Great Massingham (2). ?

9 March:
Worthing, Lancing, Penhill. Green, Lab, []

Ryedale, Thornton Dale. 3x []

Buckinghamshire, Weston Turville. []*

[listener]

The vacancy in Chalfont St. Peter (Gold Hill) was caused by the disqualification for non-attendance of a Conservative, one of three who were elected unopposed in 2021.

[carolus]

Conwy, Llandudno, Mostyn. Lab 277, Con 116