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Post by carolus on Oct 20, 2023 12:50:01 GMT
Durham, Seaham, Central. Lab 155, Seaham Community Party 130.
I'd also missed above:
Pembrokeshire, Pembroke, St Marys South. [] 127, LD 88.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 20, 2023 17:56:16 GMT
As you know the vacancy on Haminiog ward for Llanrhystud Community Council was chosen by a co-option, however, I have heard a suggestion today that the person who was co-opted is the same person who got booted off for missing six council meetings in a row. Could someone tell me if that is even possible (as it seems odd for a person who fell foul of the Local Government Act 1972 to be invited back without anyone questioning it)?
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Post by carolus on Oct 24, 2023 17:17:57 GMT
26 October:Shropshire, Oswestry, Cambrian. Con, Green, LD Teignbridge, Teignmouth, Central. Con, Lab, LD Basildon, Wickford, Castledon. Wickford Resident* South Cambridgeshire, Waterbeach. []* Wiltshire, Marlborough, West. Ind*
2 November:Buckinghamshire, Buckingham, North. Con, [] Buckinghamshire, Buckingham, South. Con, [] Neath Port Talbot, Briton Ferry, Brynhyfryd. Lab, Ind Wiltshire, Salisbury, Harnham West. Green, Lab, LD Wychavon, Dodderhill, Dodderhill. 2x [] Wychavon, Evesham, Little Hampton. Con* Hinckley & Bosworth, Witherley, Ratcliffe. []* 9 November:Bracknell Forest, Sandhurst, Little Sandhurst. Con, LD Wiltshire, Calne, Central. Lab, LD Durham, Ferryhill, Derryhill & Dean Bank. Lab*
16 November: North Northamptonshire, Burton Latimer. Con, Green, Lab, Ind North Northamptonshire, Wellingborough, Queensway. Con, Lab, LD Northumberland, Cramlington, East. Con, Lab, Ind
Doncaster, Stainforth (2). 2x Ind, [] Torridge, Milton Damerel. Ind, Parish Resident
Gwynedd, Harlech. ? Tendring, Mistley. ?
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 24, 2023 17:34:16 GMT
As you know the vacancy on Haminiog ward for Llanrhystud Community Council was chosen by a co-option, however, I have heard a suggestion today that the person who was co-opted is the same person who got booted off for missing six council meetings in a row. Could someone tell me if that is even possible (as it seems odd for a person who fell foul of the Local Government Act 1972 to be invited back without anyone questioning it)? I have now had this confirmed and would appreciate an answer, as a lot of people in the village are expressing concern about it. |
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Post by johnloony on Oct 24, 2023 17:43:41 GMT
As you know the vacancy on Haminiog ward for Llanrhystud Community Council was chosen by a co-option, however, I have heard a suggestion today that the person who was co-opted is the same person who got booted off for missing six council meetings in a row. Could someone tell me if that is even possible (as it seems odd for a person who fell foul of the Local Government Act 1972 to be invited back without anyone questioning it)? I have now had this confirmed and would appreciate an answer, as a lot of people in the village are expressing concern about it. If you have confirmed that it is indeed the same person, then you therefore have your answer which is that it is possible. (That, incidentally, is what I would have assumed to be the case anyway.). I doubt if it happened “without anyone questioning it”; i guess that it is very likely that the other members of the Council did indeed question it. I don’t know anything about what the circumstances were, or what the reason was for the councillor’s absence, but there are all sorts of theoretical possibilities. It might (frig zample) be illness or inadvertence or something which they considered to be innocuous. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 24, 2023 17:53:22 GMT
I have now had this confirmed and would appreciate an answer, as a lot of people in the village are expressing concern about it. If you have confirmed that it is indeed the same person, then you therefore have your answer which is that it is possible. (That, incidentally, is what I would have assumed to be the case anyway.). I doubt if it happened “without anyone questioning it”; i guess that it is very likely that the other members of the Council did indeed question it. I don’t know anything about what the circumstances were, or what the reason was for the councillor’s absence, but there are all sorts of theoretical possibilities. It might (frig zample) be illness or inadvertence or something which they considered to be innocuous. It's perfectly legal. Possibly not a good look, but legal. Wasn't there a Gwynedd unitary councillor who was disqualified and won the resultant by-election not long ago? And, a little further back, a guy in the NW of England who was re-elected after such a disqualification (I think he had agraphobia or similar)? |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 24, 2023 20:09:59 GMT
As you know the vacancy on Haminiog ward for Llanrhystud Community Council was chosen by a co-option, however, I have heard a suggestion today that the person who was co-opted is the same person who got booted off for missing six council meetings in a row. Could someone tell me if that is even possible (as it seems odd for a person who fell foul of the Local Government Act 1972 to be invited back without anyone questioning it)? I have now had this confirmed and would appreciate an answer, as a lot of people in the village are expressing concern about it. By that, I suppose you to mean a small ranting man with lapel badges and more in his hat, two stern-faced women (of a certain age!!) and a flea-bitten dog as fellow-traveller? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 24, 2023 20:16:41 GMT
As you know the vacancy on Haminiog ward for Llanrhystud Community Council was chosen by a co-option, however, I have heard a suggestion today that the person who was co-opted is the same person who got booted off for missing six council meetings in a row. Could someone tell me if that is even possible (as it seems odd for a person who fell foul of the Local Government Act 1972 to be invited back without anyone questioning it)? I have now had this confirmed and would appreciate an answer, as a lot of people in the village are expressing concern about it. You've had your answer then. If it has happened, it must have been possible for it to happen. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 25, 2023 6:24:56 GMT
I have now had this confirmed and would appreciate an answer, as a lot of people in the village are expressing concern about it. By that, I suppose you to mean a small ranting man with lapel badges and more in his hat, two stern-faced women (of a certain age!!) and a flea-bitten dog as fellow-traveller? No, I mean the Liberal Democrat county candidate in last year's local election, the postmaster and his wife, and several other people who represent the diversity of the community. |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 25, 2023 8:26:35 GMT
By that, I suppose you to mean a small ranting man with lapel badges and more in his hat, two stern-faced women (of a certain age!!) and a flea-bitten dog as fellow-traveller? No, I mean the Liberal Democrat county candidate in last year's local election, the postmaster and his wife, and several other people who represent the diversity of the community. "... who represent the diversity of the community ..."! Now there is a phrase to cherish as a very real representative of the modern age. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 25, 2023 12:52:49 GMT
By that, I suppose you to mean a small ranting man with lapel badges and more in his hat, two stern-faced women (of a certain age!!) and a flea-bitten dog as fellow-traveller? No, I mean the Liberal Democrat county candidate in last year's local election, the postmaster and his wife, and several other people who represent the diversity of the community. If they think it was inappropriate wouldn't they have ben better talking to the councillors who co-opted the person? Or, if they were genuinely concerned, they could have attended the meeting at which co-option was tabled as an agenda item to express those concerns. But whatever they choose to do, or not to do, what happened was still legal.* * In the sense that disqualification for non-attendance does not debar one from future co-option or election. There may well have been other errors in the process . . . |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 25, 2023 13:07:06 GMT
I've had a look at the Llanrhystud CC website (not an easy read) and I can't find any reference to a co-option. Can Harry Hayfield indicate when this took place? |
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Post by carolus on Oct 25, 2023 13:42:57 GMT
I've had a look at the Llanrhystud CC website (not an easy read) and I can't find any reference to a co-option. Can Harry Hayfield indicate when this took place? It's in the minutes for the meeting on 12/10/23, item 11.5 (pdf linked on this page)
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Post by carolus on Oct 25, 2023 14:06:25 GMT
Shropshire, Oswestry, Cambrian. Candidates: Con, Green, LD
Current council: 12 Green, 4 Con, 1 Ind.
2021 result: Green 261*/251*/214, Con 239*/209/208.
Vacancy caused by the Con elected in 2021.
Teignbridge, Teignmouth, Central. Candidates: Con, Lab, LD
Current council: 7 LD, 2 Con, 2 Lab, 1 Vacancy
2023 result: LD 675*/648*/638*, Con 522*, SDA 497, Lab 495
Vacancy caused by the first LD elected in 2023.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 26, 2023 5:45:40 GMT
I've had a look at the Llanrhystud CC website (not an easy read) and I can't find any reference to a co-option. Can Harry Hayfield indicate when this took place? Timetable of events: June 2023 Meeting of community council: Notice supplied that councillor had missed six meetings in a row and was therefore turfed off July 2023: Notice from county council of vacancy www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/13320/public-notice-haminiog-ward-26-07-2023.pdfAugust 2023: Confirmation of failure of attempt at by-election September 2023: Notice from county council of co-option www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/13964/notice-of-co-option-20-09-2023.pdfOctober 10th 2023: Applications close October 19th 2023: First indications that former councillor had been co-opted October 22nd 2023: Confirmation by letter that I had not been co-opted October 25th 2023: Confirmation from local community that former councillor had been co-opted and that meeting would be held that evening to confirm statement. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 26, 2023 12:13:46 GMT
I've had a look at the Llanrhystud CC website (not an easy read) and I can't find any reference to a co-option. Can Harry Hayfield indicate when this took place? Timetable of events: June 2023 Meeting of community council: Notice supplied that councillor had missed six meetings in a row and was therefore turfed off July 2023: Notice from county council of vacancy www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/13320/public-notice-haminiog-ward-26-07-2023.pdfAugust 2023: Confirmation of failure of attempt at by-election September 2023: Notice from county council of co-option www.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/13964/notice-of-co-option-20-09-2023.pdfOctober 10th 2023: Applications close October 19th 2023: First indications that former councillor had been co-opted
October 22nd 2023: Confirmation by letter that I had not been co-opted
October 25th 2023: Confirmation from local community that former councillor had been co-opted and that meeting would be held that evening to confirm statement. Well, it all seemed to be in good order until the bit I've emboldened which I don't understand. Someone has either been co-opted or they haven't and they should be co-opted at a meeting. I don't understand why a meeting would be held to "confirm" the co-option. Though my experience is of English PCs so Welsh CCs may operate to different rules. I also can't get any of this to tie up with the Council's website which makes no mention of a meeting on 25th October! |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 26, 2023 14:07:12 GMT
From what I have been told, the general mood here is that when the report comes out in January reviewing Ceredigion's community councils, which by my reckoning will see at least 89% of the existing community council members be sacked, this community will not be sorry to see up to eight of the existing members go.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 26, 2023 20:26:53 GMT
From what I have been told, the general mood here is that when the report comes out in January reviewing Ceredigion's community councils, which by my reckoning will see at least 89% of the existing community council members be sacked, this community will not be sorry to see up to eight of the existing members go. I have now been told that there is a suggestion that the co-opted candidate did not send a letter in to the community council, as per the request made by the second notice and that they were always of the opinion they wanted him back anyway. It has been suggested that I at the next meeting openly ask this as a question, personally I do not want to because I don't to upset anyone but at the same time, I do feel a little hard done by if this is confirmed. |
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Oct 26, 2023 22:12:20 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 26, 2023 22:14:27 GMT
43% swing Green to Lib Dems ? |
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