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Post by Merseymike on Feb 28, 2016 14:53:32 GMT
And Militant infiltrated Irish Labour in the 19 80s, just like they did in the UK. Joe Higgins and Claire Daly were at the forefront. They were expelled in 1988, I think. I remember the Militant Irish Monthly well. Of course Irish Labour were infiltrated twice, once by Militant and later by the Stickies/Workers Party/Democratic Left. The latter did a far more effective job of infiltration! But by then Democratic Left were a load of centrist Eurocommunists - who took the party to the Right as they embraced Blairite free market orthodoxy |
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 28, 2016 14:57:16 GMT
In Tipperary it looks like FG have managed to to turn a 0.97 quota into 0 zero seats. It's nice to see after nearly a century of STV elections, all 3 main parties in the South can still screw up their handling of STV elections... In the end it wasn't even close. Labour Deputy Leader Alan Kelly took the final seat by a margin of 1,313 votes. |
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Post by john07 on Feb 28, 2016 15:00:25 GMT
I remember the Militant Irish Monthly well. Of course Irish Labour were infiltrated twice, once by Militant and later by the Stickies/Workers Party/Democratic Left. The latter did a far more effective job of infiltration! But by then Democratic Left were a load of centrist Eurocommunists - who took the party to the Right as they embraced Blairite free market orthodoxy By then? I think they were like that a bit earlier! |
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Feb 28, 2016 15:21:54 GMT
Given the crash in their support, I wonder if Irish Labour might once again become vulnerable to entryism. Except this time, rather than the entryists being Trots rapidly transitioning into radical centrists, the new entryists might be leftish independents seeking a recognisable brand. Of course, that depends upon whether the brand recognition is worth the derision associated with it. The Workers Party/Democratic Left were tankies, not trots. And no, I strongly doubt that. The soft left is doing just fine (a good election for it) without the burden of constantly wondering what they will have to do in government with Fine Gael. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 28, 2016 15:36:55 GMT
Emmet Stagg eliminated after 29 years in the Dail. The Kennedy/Hughes moment?
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Post by Tangent on Feb 28, 2016 15:42:28 GMT
Exactly who is going to form a government? The current government lacks the numbers. FG, FF and SF have all ruled out working with each other. A left-of-centre coalition (being touted by that well-known lefty party, the Greens) looks a pipe dream. If I were Kenny, I would seek to resign, and let FF try and govern as a minority administration, as there would probably be a narrow anti-austerity majority for supply. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 28, 2016 15:51:34 GMT
Under the Irish constitution the Taoiseach is elected by the Dail after each general election (and also after vacancies) - an incumbent can't simply resign and hand over. FF would have to find a majority.
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Post by Tangent on Feb 28, 2016 16:01:12 GMT
Under the Irish constitution the Taoiseach is elected by the Dail after each general election (and also after vacancies) - an incumbent can't simply resign and hand over. FF would have to find a majority. FG would have to put FF in, as I see it, and probably pledge confidence for a period - but promise nothing on supply (no Tallaght strategy), or any commitment on particular Bills except on a case-by-case basis. |
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 28, 2016 16:09:02 GMT
Under the Irish constitution the Taoiseach is elected by the Dail after each general election (and also after vacancies) - an incumbent can't simply resign and hand over. FF would have to find a majority. Well... FF would need to have more votes for their candidate than votes against... not necessarily an overall majority? A few abstentions could clinch it? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 28, 2016 17:19:04 GMT
The distribution of surviving Labour (sic) TDs is amusingly random: just like old times!
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 28, 2016 17:38:07 GMT
29 seats still to be declared. I get the possible spread as
FG: 48-52
FF: 42-45
SF: 23-24
Lab: 6-9
Othr: 33-34
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Post by dizz on Feb 28, 2016 17:44:39 GMT
Labour score looks right. Tipperary looks to be going well for them whereas I think they will be squeezed out in both Dublin Bay seats (&Louth & Longford-Westmeath). Longford-Westmead & Louth both looking better for Labour. So, too, Dublin Bay North though it is still early days in that one. I love STV when it works well as I think it generally does in Ireland. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 17:53:16 GMT
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 28, 2016 18:01:08 GMT
Renua Ireland have now missed out completely.
However there's Rae-Nua in Kerry.
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 28, 2016 18:05:17 GMT
The distribution of surviving Labour (sic) TDs is amusingly random: just like old times! Right down to the hereditary seat in Cork East. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 28, 2016 18:08:01 GMT
Some dreadful vote management by the Sinners in Donegal which in all probability will see them lose a seat. Lol. As a result they have asked for a full recount. It looks likely that they will miss out on a second seat. Pádraig MacLochlainn currently holds 5th spot with a lead of nearly 800 votes from Independent Thomas Pringle but there are still 9000+ transfers to come from 2 other Independents. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 28, 2016 18:14:34 GMT
Labour score looks right. Tipperary looks to be going well for them whereas I think they will be squeezed out in both Dublin Bay seats (&Louth & Longford-Westmeath). Longford-Westmead & Louth both looking better for Labour. So, too, Dublin Bay North though it is still early days in that one. I love STV when it works well as I think it generally does in Ireland. Likely to miss out in Louth. 500 votes behind with just some SF surplus to be be redistributed. |
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Post by bolbridge on Feb 28, 2016 18:15:45 GMT
Any updated seat projections?
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Post by Pimpernal on Feb 28, 2016 18:26:35 GMT
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 28, 2016 18:33:09 GMT
Both the FG candidate whose votes were being reallocated, and the FF candidate who picked up a high transfer share are from Ballymote in Sligo.
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