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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 27, 2016 9:32:50 GMT
It is at times like this that I try to imagine what sort of party system the Republic of Ireland would have if it had adopted FPTP in the first place. Hopefully it would have evolved into a more class-based two-main-party system (Labour and not-Labour) instead of perpetuating the ridiculous legacy of the Civil-War FF/FG split. Labour was formed before the war but opted to sit out the independence era elections. Maybe that was the bigger factor. Yes, some aspects of Ireland really aren't good adverts for STV. |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 27, 2016 9:38:49 GMT
RTE Kerry is tweeting that there are strong results in boxes for both Healy-Rae's. The county will be awash with tarmac.
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Post by dizz on Feb 27, 2016 9:59:05 GMT
Yes - I heard that that the Greedy-Raes are doing well.
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Post by The Bishop on Feb 27, 2016 10:27:37 GMT
That would be an incredible comeback for Fianna Fail, another for the Greens, a good start for the Social Democrats ( and the cause of much agony for British Labourites in our polls), a pasting for Labour, a curtailment of the Sinn Fein rise, ... and a Dail so unstable it would make the first two 1980s ones look like great virtues. And how many blasted independents?! Will there be some decent types or will it be all gombeens selling their vote for public money? Why? A handful of seats under the Irish electoral system means b***er all in our context...... |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 27, 2016 10:46:06 GMT
A 20% canvass in Kerry and this is what it's looking like:  |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Feb 27, 2016 10:49:30 GMT
Yes, some aspects of Ireland really aren't good adverts for STV. Especially the fact they count by hand. |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 27, 2016 10:57:11 GMT
A 20% canvass in Kerry and this is what it's looking like: That's horrific. Doesn't look good for Labour either if we assume that Cap of Powah surpluses break for FF. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 11:02:33 GMT
What a clusterfuck
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Post by An Sionnach Flannbhuí on Feb 27, 2016 11:07:15 GMT
RTE reporting that, because of transfers, Fianna Fail could get more seats than Fine Gael, therefore be largest party.
That's Fianna Fail, everyone. Come back, all is forgiven.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Feb 27, 2016 11:11:18 GMT
A 20% canvass in Kerry and this is what it's looking like: That's horrific. Doesn't look good for Labour either if we assume that Cap of Powah surpluses break for FF. Labour could win! With such a result FG&FF is inevitable, SF remains isolated, thus a left party will emerge, probably Labour (although it'll be a very long recovery). |
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Post by dizz on Feb 27, 2016 11:25:26 GMT
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Post by dizz on Feb 27, 2016 11:27:54 GMT
A 20% canvass in Kerry and this is what it's looking like: Makes 2HR; 1FF; 1FG & a fight between FG & SF for the last one. Come on the blues! |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 27, 2016 11:32:01 GMT
That's horrific. Doesn't look good for Labour either if we assume that Cap of Powah surpluses break for FF. Labour could win! With such a result FG&FF is inevitable, SF remains isolated, thus a left party will emerge, probably Labour (although it'll be a very long recovery). Some FF transfers will break for the Shinners. |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 27, 2016 11:47:50 GMT
The 30% tally is even better for the Gombeens. First full tally from Dublin West shows it will be tight for Joan Burton, but she should make it.
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 27, 2016 12:11:09 GMT
Reports from Sligo-Leitrim that somebody has lost the keys to one of the ballot boxes, and the count staff are trying to open it with a hacksaw.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 27, 2016 12:22:30 GMT
Reports from Sligo-Leitrim that somebody has lost the keys to one of the ballot boxes, and the count staff are trying to open it with a hacksaw. Someone really is trying to live up to stereotypes, aren't they?  |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 27, 2016 13:18:12 GMT
That would be an incredible comeback for Fianna Fail, another for the Greens, a good start for the Social Democrats ( and the cause of much agony for British Labourites in our polls), a pasting for Labour, a curtailment of the Sinn Fein rise, ... and a Dail so unstable it would make the first two 1980s ones look like great virtues. And how many blasted independents?! Will there be some decent types or will it be all gombeens selling their vote for public money? Why? A handful of seats under the Irish electoral system means b***er all in our context...... I simply meant that when we have these discussions in future there looks like a similar sized choice of sister party or social democracy. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 27, 2016 13:19:22 GMT
Yes, some aspects of Ireland really aren't good adverts for STV. Especially the fact they count by hand. "He needs the pothole at the end of the road filling, not an automated counting system!" |
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 27, 2016 13:20:44 GMT
A 20% canvass in Kerry and this is what it's looking like: That's horrific. Doesn't look good for Labour either if we assume that Cap of Powah surpluses break for FF. I assume that Spring is another of Dick Spring's family. When he lost seat in 2002 it was probably the only time Unionists cheered Sinn Fein. |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 27, 2016 13:23:47 GMT
That's horrific. Doesn't look good for Labour either if we assume that Cap of Powah surpluses break for FF. I assume that Spring is another of Dick Spring's family. When he lost seat in 2002 it was probably the only time Unionists cheered Sinn Fein. Dan Spring's grandson and Dick Spring's nephew. |
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