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Post by David Ashforth on Nov 30, 2015 20:56:02 GMT
By-elections Barnsley 1979 to 2003
Sheffield I've scanned and uploaded the results here and someone has put on Wikipedia. I don't claim it is a complete list of by-elections. In fact, there are three more, all on 4th July 1985, where I only have the names of the new councillors and the names of the councillors they were replacing. From looking at the party labels of the new councillors in subsequent elections I know that Labour held a seat Park ward (no surprise) and gained two councillors from the Conservatives both in Broomhill ward (the first time Conservatives had lost Broomhill, although their majorities had been getting quite small). |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 1, 2015 11:31:21 GMT
Earlier on the say that this thread was started I posted this here vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/752/landtag-elections-2011?page=21Finally can put this to bed and move on to the more recent (2015) results everywhere I had gone back as far as 1991 as these were the oldest full set of results I had. I now find I can go back to 1973! I wonder though if it is going to be possible anywhere to identify maps of some of the oldest wards. In particular I'm interested in the local ones in Watford and St Albans in the 1970s. I'm particularly curious about the old Bricket Wood North ward which voted Labour in 1973 |
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Post by greenhert on Dec 1, 2015 13:59:34 GMT
I have also been able to usefully find out via the elections centre that my (now deceased) paternal grandparents (Douglas and Sheila Borgars, identified only as D. Borgars and Ms. S. Borgars on this website) were once district councillors in Norton, Stockton-On-Tees, and also county councillors in Cleveland from 1973-85 (in Sheila's case) and 1973-81 (in Douglas' case; he was defeated by only six votes in Norton in an extremely close contest between the Conservatives and Labour). Meanwhile, my paternal aunt, Christine, was first elected to Reading in 1994 (not 1996 as I originally assumed).
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 1, 2015 14:18:43 GMT
By-elections Barnsley 1979 to 2003
Sheffield I've scanned and uploaded the results here and someone has put on Wikipedia. I don't claim it is a complete list of by-elections. In fact, there are three more, all on 4th July 1985, where I only have the names of the new councillors and the names of the councillors they were replacing. From looking at the party labels of the new councillors in subsequent elections I know that Labour held a seat Park ward (no surprise) and gained two councillors from the Conservatives both in Broomhill ward (the first time Conservatives had lost Broomhill, although their majorities had been getting quite small). interesting I suspect the G J Punt, gaining and holding Penistone West as an independent 1994, 1998 and 2002 was George Punt, the Rural Studies teacher (and friend of my parents) when I was at PGS in the 70s |
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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 1, 2015 14:39:38 GMT
The LGBCE has copies of old reports going back to 1973. They don't have maps but usually give a description of the ward boundaries. Roughly speaking it seems the current St Stephens ward was previously split into three single member wards, Bricket Wood North, Bricket Wood South and Chiswell Green.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 1, 2015 15:26:27 GMT
Yes I'm curious as to where the boundary lay between the two bits of Bricket Wood. If it is anything like the current parish ward boundaries (and in the case of London Colney these are pretty much the same as they were then, inherited from the old St Albans rural district wards), then Chiswell Green is quite tightly drawn while Bricket Wood takes in the great rural expanse to the North and West of the parish  One would guess it would have included the small area of council housing which is now in the Bricket Wood East ward (which is part of Park Street borough ward)but this is rather to the South of Bricket Wood than the North and its difficult to imagine the boundaries which link that area with the rural bits to the North and West. I wondered if perhaps it included a bit of the How Wood area from Park Street as that ward seems on the small side and you would expect more of a Labour vote from there |
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Post by john07 on Dec 1, 2015 16:33:07 GMT
That's all well and good, but where do we get the pre-1973 results from?  ? |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 1, 2015 18:07:42 GMT
That's all well and good, but where do we get the pre-1973 results from? ? Same site, but only for Counties and County Boroughs. Means I'll have to keep trekking to the library to compile Whitby Urban District Council's data. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 1, 2015 18:42:45 GMT
Anyone found a closer 4-way contest than this?
Perth and Kinross 1999
29 Wellshill
Electorate 2549
Con 386 25.9%
SNP 374 25.1%
LD 373 25.0%
Lab 360 24.1%
Turnout 58.5%
Majority:12
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 1, 2015 19:05:40 GMT
Doubt it but there's a near rival in Milton ward, Argyll and Bute in 1995:
J. English (Ind) 266 (27.6%)
D. Graham (Lab) 248 (25.7%)
E. Drummond (SNP) 237 (24.6%)
S. MacClure (Ind) 213 (22.1%)
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Post by john07 on Dec 1, 2015 19:10:31 GMT
That's all well and good, but where do we get the pre-1973 results from? ? Same site, but only for Counties and County Boroughs. Means I'll have to keep trekking to the library to compile Whitby Urban District Council's data. Shame. I was hoping for the Urban District Council election results. |
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Post by David Ashforth on Dec 1, 2015 20:05:37 GMT
By-elections Barnsley 1979 to 2003
Sheffield I've scanned and uploaded the results here and someone has put on Wikipedia. I don't claim it is a complete list of by-elections. In fact, there are three more, all on 4th July 1985, where I only have the names of the new councillors and the names of the councillors they were replacing. From looking at the party labels of the new councillors in subsequent elections I know that Labour held a seat Park ward (no surprise) and gained two councillors from the Conservatives both in Broomhill ward (the first time Conservatives had lost Broomhill, although their majorities had been getting quite small). interesting I suspect the G J Punt, gaining and holding Penistone West as an independent 1994, 1998 and 2002 was George Punt, the Rural Studies teacher (and friend of my parents) when I was at PGS in the 70s
George Punt, of Schole Hill Lane, Penistone, was involved in politics from the 1960s and was a member of both Penistone District Council and Barnsley Council at the time of his death. He moved to Penistone from Leeds with his wife Pat, in the early 1960s to take up a post heading the rural studies department at Penistone Grammar School. In the late 1970s he suffered a heart attack and retired early from his teaching career, but continued to be active in local politics until his death, also serving on South Yorkshire County Council until it was disbanded in the mid-1980s. Despite being past retirement age, Coun Punt had many interests, including positions on Berneslai Homes board which manages the town's council housing, and held several positions within Barnsley Council. Mrs Punt recalled her first visit to Penistone and said: "George stopped the car, told me this was Penistone, and I thought I could live there. "We have brought up our family here and Penistone was his life," she said. One of Mr Punt's legacies was the presence of paramedics in the area, something he fought hard to achieve after the closure of a local ambulance station, said Mrs Punt: "When the paramedic base was moved to Hoyland he fought like mad to retain some in Penistone." His term with Barnsley Council was due to end next year and he had promised his wife he would not be standing for re-election. His political career in Penistone started in the 1960s on the urban district council and continued with the town council after local government reorganisation in 1974, where he served four times as mayor. |
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Post by Crimson King on Dec 1, 2015 22:06:17 GMT
Thanks for that David. I hadn't heard of him since my parents split up. I'm not sure PGS wasn't unique in having a Rural Studies Department
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Post by johnr on Dec 2, 2015 9:44:31 GMT
This is lovely! I'm off to wikipedia....
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 2, 2015 10:21:43 GMT
That's all well and good, but where do we get the pre-1973 results from? ? Same site, but only for Counties and County Boroughs. Means I'll have to keep trekking to the library to compile Whitby Urban District Council's data. I don't see any results for counties pre-1973 there ? |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Dec 2, 2015 18:18:35 GMT
Same site, but only for Counties and County Boroughs. Means I'll have to keep trekking to the library to compile Whitby Urban District Council's data. I don't see any results for counties pre-1973 there. Main Topics: The part of the database comprising the twentieth century before wholesale local government reorganisation in 1973 was funded by the AHRB and contains ca.50,000 election results. These cover mainly urban areas, including English, Welsh and Scottish county boroughs between 1911 and 1972 and all London area contests in the period 1889-1971. In detail these are: County Borough Council, first year: 1911, last year: 1972, number of cases: 35678 County Council, first year: 1958, last year: 1970, number of cases: 5270 Greater London Council: first year: 1964, last year: 1970, number of cases: 96 London Borough Council: first year: 1900, last year: 1971, number of cases: 7361 London County Council: first year: 1889, last year: 1961, number of cases: 1214 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 2, 2015 18:46:00 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 3, 2015 16:00:32 GMT
Finally managed to download it after jumping through endless hoops.
Closest 3-way
1977 Motherwell DC, Central Wishaw
J Mitchell (LAB) 705 33.5%
W Longmire (CON) 703 33.4%
W Killough (SNP) 699 33.2%
Closest 4-way
1973 Clywd CC, Llangollen
G Richards (IND) 611 25.7%
S Evans (IND) 606 25.5%
P Davies (LAB) 584 24.5%
N Pierce-Jenkins (IND) 580 24.4%
Closest 5-way and 6-way
1999 Argyll & Bute UA, South Kintyre
A McCallum (CON) 269 20.8%
A Wilson (LAB) 224 17.3%
J Maclean (IND) 219 16.9%
A Cowan (SNP) 219 16.9%
W Bell (IND) 184 14.2%
J McKerral (LD) 178 13.8%
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Post by greatkingrat on Dec 3, 2015 16:16:22 GMT
These two guys deserve credit for not giving up
J Watson, CON, 1999 Liverpool MBC, Vauxhall, 10 votes
J Watson, CON, 2000 Liverpool MBC, Vauxhall, 7 votes
O De Peyer, LAB, 1998 Winchester DC, Sparsholt, 7 votes
O De Peyer, LAB, 2000 Winchester DC, Shedfield, 7 votes
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Post by lbarnes on Dec 5, 2015 20:02:20 GMT
If anybody does have results from before 1973 I would be quite willing to hand over some of those that I have managed to collect.
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