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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 18:37:45 GMT
This is sad news. How many MPs have served longer than Michael Meacher in the HoC? He was elected the same year as Gerald Kaufman. Had he managed to swear the Oath of Allegiance first, he would have been Father of the House and presided over this year's Election of Speaker. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 18:43:34 GMT
I might be wrong about this, but wasn't David Winnick first elected an MP in 1966, but subsequently defeated and elected again?
Obviously(!) rules him out as FoH for the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 18:46:35 GMT
I met Michael Meacher a few times in the 1980's; a thoroughly decent bloke and a close colleague of my MP, Andrew Bennett.
Poignant to note that it is his ex-wife causing the government so much worry over tax credits in the HoL.
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Post by neilm on Oct 21, 2015 18:47:46 GMT
This is sad news. How many MPs have served longer than Michael Meacher in the HoC? He was elected the same year as Gerald Kaufman. Had he managed to swear the Oath of Allegiance first, he would have been Father of the House and presided over this year's Election of Speaker. One of the great tragedies of modern politics. Kaufman is just awful. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 18:48:49 GMT
I might be wrong about this, but wasn't David Winnick first elected an MP in 1966, but subsequently defeated and elected again? obviously(!) rules him out as FoH for the moment. Yes, he was MP for Croydon South 1966-1970. I can't see him becoming FoH because he didn't return to the Commons until 1979. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 21, 2015 18:50:29 GMT
I might be wrong about this, but wasn't David Winnick first elected an MP in 1966, but subsequently defeated and elected again? Obviously(!) rules him out as FoH for the moment. You're not wrong CL. He beat Tory MP Richard Thompson in Croydon South (now more like the area that is Croydon Central) and then lost to him in 1970. Fought it again in Feb 1974.... Not elected for Walsall North until 1979. Oh, and like Meacher he lost a by election in his seat (1976) before winning it in a General election. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 21, 2015 18:52:19 GMT
I met Michael Meacher a few times in the 1980's; a thoroughly decent bloke and a close colleague of my MP, Andrew Bennett. Poignant to note that it is his ex-wife causing the government so much worry over tax credits in the HoL. She is one half of the few couples who are peers in their own right. |
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Post by independentukip on Oct 21, 2015 18:54:47 GMT
Galloway has to ba a possibility. Even as the Labour candidate... and Lembit for the Lib Dems...  Working for the betterance of Anglo-Russian relations presumably. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 21, 2015 18:59:41 GMT
and Lembit for the Lib Dems... Working for the betterance of Anglo-Russian relations presumably. He was quite interested in Anglo Rumanian relations for a while, you cheeky boy. |
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Post by independentukip on Oct 21, 2015 19:03:13 GMT
Working for the betterance of Anglo-Russian relations presumably. He was quite interested in Anglo Rumanian relations for a while, you cheeky boy. But that was for love. |
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Post by mondialito on Oct 21, 2015 19:17:38 GMT
This is sad news. How many MPs have served longer than Michael Meacher in the HoC? He was elected the same year as Gerald Kaufman. Had he managed to swear the Oath of Allegiance first, he would have been Father of the House and presisded over this year's Election of Speaker. I never understood that rule, if age determines the Baby of the House, then surely it should determine the Father of the House in the event of a tie. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 21, 2015 19:45:01 GMT
I met Michael Meacher a few times in the 1980's; a thoroughly decent bloke and a close colleague of my MP, Andrew Bennett. Poignant to note that it is his ex-wife causing the government so much worry over tax credits in the HoL. She is one half of the few couples who are peers in their own right. Um, run that one by me again? Michael Meacher was never a peer. Molly Meacher was divorced from him in 1987, nearly two decades before she was made a Peer. |
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Post by neilm on Oct 21, 2015 19:46:12 GMT
She is one half of the few couples who are peers in their own right. Um, run that one by me again? Michael Meacher was never a peer. Molly Meacher was divorced from him in 1987, nearly two decades before she was made a Peer. She is, however, one half of the few couples who are both peers in their own right. Her current husband is a peer. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Oct 21, 2015 20:01:26 GMT
He was elected the same year as Gerald Kaufman. Had he managed to swear the Oath of Allegiance first, he would have been Father of the House and presisded over this year's Election of Speaker. I never understood that rule, if age determines the Baby of the House, then surely it should determine the Father of the House in the event of a tie. The Baby of the House has no official standing. The Father of the House, although not named as such, is set out in the standing orders of the House. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 21, 2015 20:13:48 GMT
I met Michael Meacher a few times in the 1980's; a thoroughly decent bloke and a close colleague of my MP, Andrew Bennett. You've had some good ones over there. I liked Bennett and I like Gwynne. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 21, 2015 21:19:46 GMT
He was elected the same year as Gerald Kaufman. Had he managed to swear the Oath of Allegiance first, he would have been Father of the House and presisded over this year's Election of Speaker. I never understood that rule, if age determines the Baby of the House, then surely it should determine the Father of the House in the event of a tie. In this particular case it would make no difference as Kaufman is the oldest MP as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2015 22:12:55 GMT
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 21, 2015 22:17:07 GMT
Galloway has to ba a possibility. Even as the Labour candidate... and Lembit for the Lib Dems... Now that would be a by-election to stay up all night for! |
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 21, 2015 22:28:03 GMT
Sad to hear of Michael Meacher's passing.
In terms of the by-election, I think Labour will win but UKIP will push them quite hard and come a clear second.
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Post by dizz on Oct 21, 2015 23:16:15 GMT
Could it be a Tricky election for the Lib Dems? If it is then they will surely lose just as they did in '10 & '15.
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