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Post by Merseymike on Jan 12, 2015 12:09:40 GMT
I don't think they will be able to invest - Euro or no Euro - unless the debts are written off
And the Euro will only work if Germany is willing to accept that they as a richer country are going to have to effectively support the poorer countries, exactly as would happen internally between regions of a nation state.
I'm in favour of the Euro in principle, but Germany is actually the problem and the outlier more then Greece in terms of its stability. I think keeping the Euro but not moving towards greater political union will prove a failure
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 12, 2015 13:01:52 GMT
There needs to be a cultural shift in Greece as well. The days of lax tax practices,outright corruption,13 months pay in a year...these need to go,and the Greek electorate need to accept it.
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 12, 2015 15:10:05 GMT
There needs to be a cultural shift in Greece as well. The days of lax tax practices,outright corruption,13 months pay in a year...these need to go,and the Greek electorate need to accept it. Yes, I agree with that too. I can't see either of the old parties being able to sort this given they were the culprits in the first place and how very ingrained those practices are within their mindset. I hope Syriza can. |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 12, 2015 21:57:55 GMT
University of Macedonia poll 10-12 Jan (changes from last UoM poll 28-30 Dec) SYRIZA 31.5% (+2) ND 27% (+2) To Potami 6.5% (+1.5) Golden Dawn 6% (nc) KKE 6% (+1) PASOK 3% (-1) Independent Greeks 3% (+1) Kinima 2% (+2) AntiCapitalist Left 1% (nc) DIMAR 0.5% (nc) Other 4.5% (-2.5) Undecided 9% (-6) www.skai.gr/files/1/aa1/report_final_10-12jan2015.pdf |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 12, 2015 22:20:38 GMT
Poll from Interview, fieldwork 9-11 Jan (changes from last Interview poll 5-6 Jan) SYRIZA 28.3% (+1.2) ND 26.4% (+1.3) To Potami 5.5% (-0.8) Golden Dawn 5.1% (-0.6) KKE 4.1% (-0.5) PASOK 4.1% (+0.5) Kinima 2.0% (-0.1) Independent Greeks 1.7% (nc) DIMAR 0.2% (nc) voria.gr/index.php?module=news&func=display&sid=208019 |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 13, 2015 16:26:39 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Jan 14, 2015 16:20:26 GMT
Alco poll, fieldwork 11-13 Jan (changes from 7-9 Jan)  SYRIZA 31.2 (nc) ND 27.8% (-0.2) To Potami 5.1% (+0.6) Golden Dawn 5.0% (+0.8) KKE 4.0% (+0.3) PASOK 3.6% (-0.4) Independent Greeks 2.6% (+0.4) Kinima 2.4% (nc) Other 4.1% (-0.3) Blank 1.5% (-0.7) Abstain 2.4% (-1.2) Undecided 10.3% (+0.7) www.opinionpost.gr/ellada/2015/01/227284Less than two weeks to go and absolutely no sign of the SYRIZA lead going anywhere. Now it looks like the main question is what will the coalition maths be like for them when they win the election. |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 15, 2015 8:53:15 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Jan 15, 2015 19:28:30 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Jan 15, 2015 22:37:43 GMT
Palmos Analysis poll fieldwork 12-15 Jan (changes from 5-8 Jan)  SYRIZA 28.7% (+0.6) ND 21.8% (-0.8) To Potomi 6.8% (+1.3) Golden Dawn 6.1% (-0.6) KKE 4.4% (+0.1) PASOK 3.0% (+0.9) Independent Greeks 2.1% (-0.2) LAOS 1.3% (-0.1) Kinima 1.1% (-0.4) Other 3.9% (-1.1) Undecided 16.5% (+1.7) tvxs.gr/news/ellada/me-69-proigeitai-o-syriza-flert-me-tin-aytodynamiaSeat projection from the same poll   |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 15, 2015 23:23:19 GMT
Pulse RC poll, fieldwork 13-14 Jan (changes since 6 Jan poll shown in gaphic)  and with blank/refused excluded  NA and SYRIZA polling trends  other parties' polling trends  and a seat projection  |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 16, 2015 19:01:25 GMT
Poll from Interview, fieldwork 14-15 Jan (changes from last Interview poll 9-11 Jan) SYRIZA 30.0% (+1.7) ND 28.1% (+1.7) To Potami 5.0% (-0.5) Golden Dawn 4.9% (-0.2) KKE 4.0% (-0.1) PASOK 3.5% (-0.5) Kinima 2.0% (nc) Independent Greeks 1.8% (+0.1) DIMAR 0.7% (+0.5)  troktiko2.com/148591 |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 16, 2015 19:10:59 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Jan 16, 2015 20:49:14 GMT
Metron Analysis poll published today, I can't find the fieldwork dates (changes from last poll published 9 Jan) Note:these figures are adjusted for DK/Refused  SYRIZA 35.4% (+1.3) ND 30.8% (+0.8) To Potami 7.1% (-1.3) Golden Dawn 5.4% (-0.2) KKE 5.1% (-0.2) PASOK 4.2% (+0.1) Independent Greeks 3.0% (-0.5) Kinima 2.7% (-0.1) LAOS 1.4% (nc) Other 4.9% (0.1) Source |
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 16, 2015 20:52:44 GMT
I'm starting to think the purpose of this election is to boost the Greek economy by creating work for thousands of additional people in the polling industry.
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Post by neilm on Jan 17, 2015 3:26:40 GMT
All paid for with borrowed money...
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Post by Devonian on Jan 17, 2015 11:14:27 GMT
I'm starting to think the purpose of this election is to boost the Greek economy by creating work for thousands of additional people in the polling industry. Well you say that but I suspect that if you're looking for 'most polls produced in the month leading up to the election' that in April and the first week of May we'll see the UK beat Greece by some distance. |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 17, 2015 11:30:37 GMT
I think that the Greeks are working on the basis that no matter what they bloody well vote for it is little more than a minor irritant in the bigger scheme of things and realistically that is true. Greece represents about 2% of the Eurozone's GDP.....chicken feed. However, it seems that Frau Merkel who, let's face it, is the one calling the shots on this, is making all the right noises for a Grexit if that is how it goes. The real issue is France and Holland, who both have huge economic problems and of course the ever growing turd in the water pipe, Italy. Italy has seen no growth since it joined the Euro. Its debts amount to about 135% of GDP with deflation galloping towards it at an alarming rate, if it hasn't already turned up. That will of course mean that its debt burden is about to start increasing even if it isn't already. The Eurozone can't bail Italy out, it is simply too big. Prepare for Large scale QE It's a question, also, of how long Finland will want to keep chipping in. There are periodic noises from there. Once people say no more, that's it, no matter how much the Germans want it. Finland's Parliamentary elections are due on the 19th of April this year. We'll see if events in Greece become an election issue there. |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 17, 2015 12:24:35 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Jan 17, 2015 14:42:47 GMT
E-Voice published today, can't find the fieldwork dates (changes from last poll 1-2 Jan) SYRIZA 25.8% (-1.7) New Democracy 23.3% (-1.0) Golden Dawn 4.9% (+0.6) KKE 4.3% (-0.1) To Potami 4.2% (-1.3) PASOK 3.4% (-0.1) Independent Greeks 3.2% (+0.5) Kinima 2.1% (+2.1) Other party 5.0% (-2.4) None 4.8% (-1.5) Undecided 15.2% (+2.8) Refused 3.8% (+3.2) www.newsit.gr/default.php?pname=Article&art_id=369729 |
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