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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 6, 2015 22:04:33 GMT
Blimey- I don't think I've ever encountered a Brezhnevist party! Pretty niche. Outside of Britain, where everyone on the left is either a trot, a hippie or a foreigner, the far-left likes to play pick'n'mix with left-leaning dictators. In honour of this, I declare myself a faithful Alvaradist! Suck it, Chilean bitches!!! It's the Brezhnev thing that definitely gets me. I wonder if a victory KKE would go around giving people undeserved medals as a result. But then undeservedly getting things off the State is what the Greek electorate have been after since the Colonels were kicked out. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 6, 2015 22:19:34 GMT
I once met a committed 'modern Maoist.'
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 6, 2015 22:22:58 GMT
I once met a committed 'modern Maoist.' Wow. You'd think that of all the communist creeds, it would be the most discredited. Other than Posadism. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 6, 2015 22:29:31 GMT
Perhaps the 'modern' version is somehow different. Weren't the Posadists a Trot splinter from the Fourth International?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 6, 2015 23:10:23 GMT
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jan 6, 2015 23:22:21 GMT
Outside of Britain, where everyone on the left is either a trot, a hippie or a foreigner, the far-left likes to play pick'n'mix with left-leaning dictators. In honour of this, I declare myself a faithful Alvaradist! Suck it, Chilean bitches!!! It's the Brezhnev thing that definitely gets me. I wonder if a victory KKE would go around giving people undeserved medals as a result. But then undeservedly getting things off the State is what the Greek electorate have been after since the Colonels were kicked out.  |
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Post by neilm on Jan 7, 2015 7:02:50 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Jan 7, 2015 21:08:23 GMT
First polls published by a recognised polling companies since the launch of Panandreou's Movement of Democractic Socialists (Kinima) The First one is from Alco, fieldwork 4-6 Jan (changes in brackets from last Alco poll 18-22 December) note:these figures exclude refused/blank  SYRIZA 33.8% (+3.5) ND 30.5% (+3.8) To Potami 4.5% (-0.2) Golden Dawn 4.4% (-1.2) KKE 4.1% (-0.4) PASOK 3.9% (-1.0) Kinima 2.7% (+2.7) Independent Greeks 2.4% (-0.8) Other 3.4% (-2.1) Undecided 10.3% (-3.1) www.topontiki.gr/article/91988/Probadisma-33-tou-SURIZA-se-dimoskopisi-tis-ALCO-gia-to-PontikiAnother poll from 'Interview' fieldwork 5-6 January (changes in brackets from last Interview poll 30-31 December) Note this is the first polling company to have done two polls since election called SYRIZA 27.1% (-0.3) ND 25.1% (nc) To Potami 6.3% (+1.3) Golden Dawn 5.7% (+0.7) KKE 4.6% (-0.4) PASOK 3.6% (-1.3) Kinima 2.1% (+2.1) Independent Greeks 1.7% (-0.3) DIMAR 0.2% (-0.5) Other 6.0% (-1.2) Blank/refused 7.6% (+0.3) Undecided 10.0% (-0.4) www.newsbomb.gr/ekloges/ethnikes-ekloges/story/541499/nea-dimoskopisi-mprosta-o-syriza-me-2 |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 7, 2015 21:28:56 GMT
GPO poll, fieldwork 5-7 Jan (changes in brackets from last poll 11-15 December)  SYRIZA 28.5% (+0.5) ND 25.3% (+2.2) To Potami 5.8% (+0.7) KKE 5.7% (+0.2) Golden Dawn 5.4% (+0.4) PASOK 5.0% (-0.1) Independent Greeks 2.7% (nc) Kinima 2.6% (+2.6) LAOS 2.0% (+0.7) Anti-Capitalist Left 1.0% (-0.3) Other 2.0% (-3.9) Blank/Refused 0.9% (-0.8) Undecided 13.1% (-2.2) www.megatv.com/megagegonota/article.asp?catid=27371&subid=2&pubid=34339001 |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 7, 2015 21:40:28 GMT
Pulse RC poll, fieldwork 5-6 Jan (changes since last Pulse RC poll 19-21 December) SYRIZA 29% (+0.5) ND 25.5% (+0.5) PASOK 5.5% (-1.0) Golden Dawn 5.5% (nc) To Potami 5.5% (nc) KKE 5.0% (nc) Independent Greeks 3.0% (-0.5) Kinima 2.5% (+2.5) Other 4.0% (-1.5) Blank/Refused 5.0% (1.5) Undecided 9.5% (+1.0) www.naftemporiki.gr/documents/899400/dimoskopisi-tis-pulse |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 7, 2015 21:55:25 GMT
This is going to be a disaster all round. I can't see a stable government being formed if these numbers carry on.
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Jan 7, 2015 22:00:47 GMT
The 50 seat bonus for the leading party means that even with 30% SYRIZA will only be 20 or so seats away from a majority. So it probably won't be that difficult, unless the lowest of the low numbers turn out to be accurate.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 7, 2015 22:06:48 GMT
For all the criticism of FPTP, I am even less inclined towards a system where you get a magic Brucey Bonus for coming top. It's bizarre.
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Jan 7, 2015 22:15:00 GMT
For all the criticism of FPTP, I am even less inclined towards a system where you get a magic Brucey Bonus for coming top. It's bizarre. IIRC, its entire purpose was to prevent the KKE from holding the balance of power. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 7, 2015 22:16:17 GMT
For all the criticism of FPTP, I am even less inclined towards a system where you get a magic Brucey Bonus for coming top. It's bizarre. There's worse. The French 50% of seats bonus for the list coming first. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 8, 2015 0:01:43 GMT
That would be because - the Italian Party aside (which was always 'different' anyway) - it was basically a scam. But a lot of their ideas were very influential - they had considerable influence over the new urban left, and were amongst the first to promote the equality agenda which even the Conservatives sign up to these days. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 8, 2015 9:39:00 GMT
That would be because - the Italian Party aside (which was always 'different' anyway) - it was basically a scam. But a lot of their ideas were very influential - they had considerable influence over the new urban left, and were amongst the first to promote the equality agenda which even the Conservatives sign up to these days. There is an argument that I've seen before that the Eurocommunist pursuit of the equality agenda was (in some parties) not so much for its own merits, but to gain a new electorate. The PCF was very, very suspicious of Eurocommunism until Robert Hue took over, and their commitment to equality was...erm...a bit lacking. Hue himself did embrace Eurocommunism, even if he didn't call it that, but again I've seen suggestions that his sudden conversion to embracing racial and sexual minorities was a deliberate attempt to fill the void left by a leeching of support amongst the white working class to the PS. Blimey, even I found what I just wrote a bit cynical. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 8, 2015 9:46:58 GMT
That would be because - the Italian Party aside (which was always 'different' anyway) - it was basically a scam. But a lot of their ideas were very influential - they had considerable influence over the new urban left, and were amongst the first to promote the equality agenda which even the Conservatives sign up to these days. I had you down as a bit of Eurocommunist as it happens. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 8, 2015 11:39:09 GMT
But a lot of their ideas were very influential - they had considerable influence over the new urban left, and were amongst the first to promote the equality agenda which even the Conservatives sign up to these days. There is an argument that I've seen before that the Eurocommunist pursuit of the equality agenda was (in some parties) not so much for its own merits, but to gain a new electorate. The PCF was very, very suspicious of Eurocommunism until Robert Hue took over, and their commitment to equality was...erm...a bit lacking. Hue himself did embrace Eurocommunism, even if he didn't call it that, but again I've seen suggestions that his sudden conversion to embracing racial and sexual minorities was a deliberate attempt to fill the void left by a leeching of support amongst the white working class to the PS. Blimey, even I found what I just wrote a bit cynical. Oh, I'm sure you are right. But there were some good things to come out of Eurocommunism and Marxism Today, and I liked their relatively non-sectarian way of working. I think that the British Eurocommunists were interesting as they had influence much greater than their numbers would have indicated possible, largely because of their working through the social movements |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 8, 2015 13:01:00 GMT
There is an argument that I've seen before that the Eurocommunist pursuit of the equality agenda was (in some parties) not so much for its own merits, but to gain a new electorate. The PCF was very, very suspicious of Eurocommunism until Robert Hue took over, and their commitment to equality was...erm...a bit lacking. Hue himself did embrace Eurocommunism, even if he didn't call it that, but again I've seen suggestions that his sudden conversion to embracing racial and sexual minorities was a deliberate attempt to fill the void left by a leeching of support amongst the white working class to the PS. Blimey, even I found what I just wrote a bit cynical. Oh, I'm sure you are right. But there were some good things to come out of Eurocommunism and Marxism Today, and I liked their relatively non-sectarian way of working. I think that the British Eurocommunists were interesting as they had influence much greater than their numbers would have indicated possible, largely because of their working through the social movements Were the CPGB Eurocommunist in the end? |
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