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Post by slicesofjim on Jan 5, 2015 13:57:46 GMT
Front of the Greek Anticapitalist Left. I can only hope that New Democracy pip SYRIZA to the top up bonus. Why don't you like SYRIZA and why do you hope they lose the election? SYRIZA seem to believe they can work within the confines of a global capitalist system. They are not left wing enough to break with capitalism, they are left wing enough to try to enact policies which will lead to the markets making the Greek economy scream, and for the EU or the Colonels to take charge. If SYRIZA win, the predictable result is disaster for Greek society and the economy, and the further rise of far-right forces. No socialist organisation can or should take power without majority consent (so no fudging into power with a top up) nor without the support of similar movements or parties taking power across the continent. Unfortunately, many on the Left in this country look on SYRIZA and Podemos with dreamy eyes. Mostly they are just warmed-over Eurocommunists. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 5, 2015 17:21:35 GMT
Why don't you like SYRIZA and why do you hope they lose the election? SYRIZA seem to believe they can work within the confines of a global capitalist system. They are not left wing enough to break with capitalism, they are left wing enough to try to enact policies which will lead to the markets making the Greek economy scream, and for the EU or the Colonels to take charge. If SYRIZA win, the predictable result is disaster for Greek society and the economy, and the further rise of far-right forces. No socialist organisation can or should take power without majority consent (so no fudging into power with a top up) nor without the support of similar movements or parties taking power across the continent. Unfortunately, many on the Left in this country look on SYRIZA and Podemos with dreamy eyes. Mostly they are just warmed-over Eurocommunists. Eurocommunism- now there was a failure. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 5, 2015 18:03:06 GMT
That would be because - the Italian Party aside (which was always 'different' anyway) - it was basically a scam.
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Post by Devonian on Jan 5, 2015 18:47:15 GMT
Interesting report of an Opinion Poll that I found. Normally I don't post opinion polls where I cannot verify that it has been carried out by a recognised polling company. Here I am making an exception as this may be the first poll showing polling numbers for Papandreou's new Movement of Democratic Socialists. The website www.athensmagazine.gr/ reports that a poll commissioned by a foreign embassy has reported the following figures SYRIZA 29.2% ND 24.9% Movement of Democratic Socialists 6.7% Golden Dawn 4.6% To Potami 4.5% KKE 4.3% PASOK 3.1% Other 10.8% Undecided 11.9% www.athensmagazine.gr/portal/ekloges2015sthnellada/156035There is no mention of what polling company might have carried out this poll. However polls that can be verified as having come from recognised polling companies are expected later this week so we'll have to see if they show something similar |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 5, 2015 18:54:15 GMT
I would add that the recent Rass poll did ask a specific question about whether people would vote for Papandreou's new party and the number saying 'Yes' to that question in that poll - 6.1% - is similar enough to the figure in this poll to make it plausible.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jan 5, 2015 19:10:45 GMT
The Greens will not be standing and support SYRIZA. Not sure whether they're getting anyone on SYRIZA's list or if they've just thrown in the towel. EDIT: Looks like they're going to be on their list. I have switched my vote from the Greens, then, to SYRIZA, just to see what happens. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 5, 2015 19:23:25 GMT
You mean you're a Kremlin ploy? Remarkable.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 5, 2015 19:33:40 GMT
I'd be careful with that approach, given the meaning of "To Potami"... When David said he would throw himself in the river, I naturally assumed (given his intelligence and subtle sense of humour) that he meant that he would (hypothetically) vote for To Potami. I also intended to convey the full sense of the enthusiasm with which I would do so. |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 5, 2015 21:11:17 GMT
Another report of a leaked private poll. This one a poll allegedly commissioned for New Democracy, as with the other reported leaked poll this show a big lead for SYRIZA SYRIZA 32% ND 26% To Potami 6.5% KKE 5.5% Golden Dawn 4.5% Movement of Democratic Socialists 4% PASOK 3.5% Independent Greeks 3% www.fimes.gr/2015/01/ekloges-2015-mystiki-dimoskopisi/ |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 5, 2015 22:51:39 GMT
Does Syriza+ seat bonus+ KKE work?
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 5, 2015 23:44:27 GMT
The problem there is with 'KKE'...
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jan 6, 2015 0:12:23 GMT
Does Syriza+ seat bonus+ KKE work? They'd never agree to prop up those fake left wannabe hacks... |
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Post by Devonian on Jan 6, 2015 0:18:23 GMT
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 6, 2015 0:20:34 GMT
Does Syriza+ seat bonus+ KKE work? I think Syriza + the "mainstream left" parties is much more likely. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 6, 2015 1:03:19 GMT
Given the state of Greek politics, KKE is the mainstream left...
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Jan 6, 2015 4:03:30 GMT
The KKE is an openly Brezhnevist party who perhaps hates SYRIZA more than it hates Capitalism itself (In the best far left tradition). The most likely government is SYRIZA + one of the more leftish parties, possibly To Potami.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 6, 2015 8:04:57 GMT
The KKE is an openly Brezhnevist party who perhaps hates SYRIZA more than it hates Capitalism itself (In the best far left tradition). The most likely government is SYRIZA + one of the more leftish parties, possibly To Potami. Blimey- I don't think I've ever encountered a Brezhnevist party! Pretty niche. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 6, 2015 8:06:05 GMT
A grim irony that the former SED accuse their government of interference in other country's affairs, almost to the day of the anniversary of Alexander Dubcek taking power. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 6, 2015 13:53:10 GMT
The KKE is an openly Brezhnevist party who perhaps hates SYRIZA more than it hates Capitalism itself (In the best far left tradition). The most likely government is SYRIZA + one of the more leftish parties, possibly To Potami. Blimey- I don't think I've ever encountered a Brezhnevist party! Pretty niche. The 70s. Decade of great political eyebrows. |
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Jan 6, 2015 21:19:05 GMT
The KKE is an openly Brezhnevist party who perhaps hates SYRIZA more than it hates Capitalism itself (In the best far left tradition). The most likely government is SYRIZA + one of the more leftish parties, possibly To Potami. Blimey- I don't think I've ever encountered a Brezhnevist party! Pretty niche. Outside of Britain, where everyone on the left is either a trot, a hippie or a foreigner, the far-left likes to play pick'n'mix with left-leaning dictators. In honour of this, I declare myself a faithful Alvaradist! Suck it, Chilean bitches!!! |
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