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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 25, 2015 19:46:28 GMT
State of the also-rans as of now. SYRIZA and New Democracy share first and second everywhere.
Golden Dawn highest vote is 10.6% in Lakonia. Their vote is down in all but 13 districts. To Potami have 13% in Rodopis and 11.6% in Chanion (both previously PASOK strongholds). The KKE's highest vote is 14.3% in Samou but that's also their worst in terms of change on 2012. Their vote has risen in most districts. PASOK have exceeded 10% in one district - Lakonias - and it's also their third best in terms of change. But they have lost votes everywhere, down 17% in two of their former strongholds. The Independent Greeks highest votes are just over 6%. They have lost vote share everywhere. The Democratic Socialists Network has 5.9% in its top district. The Union of Centrists have just over 5% in their best district, but their vote is up everywhere.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 25, 2015 19:48:48 GMT
Syriza plus Independent Greeks works, if bailout opposition is the key motivator.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 20:01:21 GMT
Didn't the left use Hollande's presidential victory in France as the end for austerity and a new dawn?
The people of Greece have spoken and I wish them the best of luck, as I can only see the situation getting worse when SYRZIA cannot deliver on most of their promises.
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 25, 2015 20:26:06 GMT
Official site projection at present: Syriza 148 ND 78 XA 17 River 16 KKE 15 PASOK 13 ANEL 13 Others 0
The way it's trending, Syriza may go up a bit and ND down a couple, so the Open Europe projection above doesn't look far out.
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Post by Devonian on Jan 25, 2015 20:42:13 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 25, 2015 20:53:04 GMT
Can someone explain how Syriza ends up with 4 out of 5 seats in the Dodacenese from getting 33% of the vote and a fractional lead over ND? I'm sure its something to do with the winners bonus system but don't understand how that applies at a local level
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Post by maxque on Jan 25, 2015 20:58:11 GMT
Can someone explain how Syriza ends up with 4 out of 5 seats in the Dodacenese from getting 33% of the vote and a fractional lead over ND? I'm sure its something to do with the winners bonus system but don't understand how that applies at a local level Regional distribution has nothing to do with regional results. Only national results are used to calculate how much seats parties will have and they are spread in the regions through complex formulas. It often happens than the party which finished 2nd in a region has more seats.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 25, 2015 21:02:24 GMT
Thanks - yes its a weird system I've never been able to get my head round it
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Post by iain on Jan 25, 2015 21:07:00 GMT
Why bother giving out seats to regions then?
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Post by dizz on Jan 25, 2015 21:26:02 GMT
BBC are reporting that this will send shockwaves around Europe.
Given that every single poll had Syriza ahead & the most recent polls look very accurate, it's hard to see how....
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 25, 2015 21:31:49 GMT
BBC are reporting that this will send shockwaves around Europe. Given that every single poll had Syriza ahead & the most recent polls look very accurate, it's hard to see how.... I can only presume that it makes the BBC look like they are doing their job properly by "breaking" a story obvious to all of us here. This election, for better or worse, is going to be one of the largest exercises in making one's bed and lying in it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 21:35:48 GMT
The Greeks deserve everything that is due to come at them.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 25, 2015 21:56:53 GMT
The Greeks deserve everything that is due to come at them. They were idiots for thinking the Germans would put Greece before Germany.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 25, 2015 22:05:04 GMT
Just gone midnight and the first district is complete - Zakynthou, won by SYRIZA.
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Post by Devonian on Jan 25, 2015 22:06:02 GMT
BBC are reporting that this will send shockwaves around Europe. Given that every single poll had Syriza ahead & the most recent polls look very accurate, it's hard to see how.... How was the BBC supposed to know what was going on in a far distant land beyond the M25. With the sole honourable exception of the Daily/Sunday Politics show BBC news coverage of EU politics outside Britain is abysmal. Their coverage of US politics is better despite the fact that we are not one of the United States and we are, whether we like it or not, a member state of the EU.
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 26, 2015 0:01:52 GMT
Angela Merkel gets the Result from Athens. Funny as this maybe it misses the point politically. Merkel will act in the interests if Germany, or at very least what she perceives as in the interests of Germany, and if that means Greece eventually leaving the Euro then she will accept it. The people what will be truly worried about this will be the staunch pro-EU ideologues.
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Post by Devonian on Jan 26, 2015 0:45:13 GMT
The last thing SYRIZA want is to just get an overall majority. Some of their MPs might want to try governing alone which would be almost impossible. Well in that case it looks like they've had a very lucky escape. With 93% counted the seat projection is SYRIZA 149 ND 76 Golden Dawn 17 The River 17 KKE 15 Independent Greeks 13 PASOK 13 That's quite a fall for PASOK to be in seventh place.
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Post by Devonian on Jan 26, 2015 0:50:50 GMT
www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_26/01/2015_546524I would guess that the reference to "not join a government with anti-Europeans" means that Potami would not join a government that included the Independent Greeks so that SYRIZA would need to choose to join with one or the other but wouldn't be able to have both in a coalition.
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 26, 2015 1:00:45 GMT
www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_26/01/2015_546524I would guess that the reference to "not join a government with anti-Europeans" means that Potami would not join a government that included the Independent Greeks so that SYRIZA would need to choose to join with one or the other but wouldn't be able to have both in a coalition. SYRIZA have a very strong hand for the negotiations. They only need to do a deal with any one of Pasok, the Independent Greeks or Potami to form a fairly comfortable majority government. Ideally they might prefer to join up with two of them to give a more robust majority and greater political cover but it isn't essential.
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Post by Devonian on Jan 26, 2015 1:10:15 GMT
www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite1_1_26/01/2015_546524I would guess that the reference to "not join a government with anti-Europeans" means that Potami would not join a government that included the Independent Greeks so that SYRIZA would need to choose to join with one or the other but wouldn't be able to have both in a coalition. SYRIZA have a very strong hand for the negotiations. They only need to do a deal with any one of Pasok, the Independent Greeks or Potami to form a fairly comfortable majority government. Ideally they might prefer to join up with two of them to give a more robust majority and greater political cover but it isn't essential. Looks like they may have chosen the Independent Greeks www.wsj.com/articles/syriza-poised-for-victory-in-greek-election-1422168982
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