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Post by AdminSTB on Jan 3, 2017 0:13:28 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 3, 2017 0:26:16 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Jan 3, 2017 2:50:04 GMT
That's a bit harsh? Slightly stumbling over his speech, indicating possibly that he has overcome a bad stammer or perhaps that he was short of breath due to asthma (or whatever). Or just nervous about being on television. He didn't do any of the usual muck-ups which we often complain about, e.g.: - Not repeating the numbers when they are drowned out by cheering - Slurring the words so that the numbers are in doubt ("-ty" / "-teen") - Saying "one thousand, nine hundred..." instead of saying "nineteen thousand..." due to the lack of a comma in the written script - Waiting for ages for the crowd to stop cheering - Asking Mr Flynn to "assist" those who have not been curteous etc. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 4, 2017 0:16:26 GMT
As JohnLoony points out, there was obviously something bothering James Maguire Smith in 1997, the returning officer in Galloway and Upper Nithsdale. He gave one of the most bizarre performances ever of any returning officer.
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Post by Robert Waller on Jan 6, 2017 18:35:13 GMT
It's a shame that by-elections don't get anywhere near the coverage that they used to. In the 1990s it seems that the BBC would have by-election specials with Dimbleby, Snow, Kellner et al. The Wiki article for the 1990 Mid Staffordshire by-election states that both BBC and ITN went as far as conducting an exit poll in the constituency. That is true. I (that is Harris) did the one for ITN. Had to pick the range of polling stations specially. It may be the rosy mists of time, but I seem to recall we did pretty well! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 10:24:52 GMT
I think there should be by-election specials for those constituencies where an upset is likely, or where there's other factors which make it unusual or significant (so Clacton, Richmond Park). Sadly the BBC is cutting back its News Channel yet further so something they'd consider as parochial must be the first thing they sacrifice.
It's not too wild to imagine that, with technology as it now is, a combination of Facebook Live, Twitter and this forum could quite easily make our own by-election special...
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 8, 2017 19:42:07 GMT
I think there should be by-election specials for those constituencies where an upset is likely, or where there's other factors which make it unusual or significant (so Clacton, Richmond Park). Sadly the BBC is cutting back its News Channel yet further so something they'd consider as parochial must be the first thing they sacrifice. It's not too wild to imagine that, with technology as it now is, a combination of Facebook Live, Twitter and this forum could quite easily make our own by-election special... I would very much to live video the declarations from Ceredigion this May, but in order to do so I have to write to the following people: Ceredigion's returning officer, the Electoral Commission in Wales, the Chief Executive of Ceredigion and every single candidate standing in those elections (in other words I can't) and there in lies the problem |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 8, 2017 23:36:36 GMT
I would very much to live video the declarations from Ceredigion this May, but in order to do so I have to write to the following people:... Who says you have to? By what or whose authority might you not be allowed to? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 9, 2017 12:27:18 GMT
I would very much to live video the declarations from Ceredigion this May, but in order to do so I have to write to the following people:... Who says you have to? By what or whose authority might you not be allowed to? When I was the PCC count in May I was told the following: 1) All tweets sent had to be approved by the returning officer 2) Any video recorded could not be published without the returning officer's permission (which was never given) 3) When a tweet appeared about turnout, one of the clerks and a police officer asked to see what tweets I had sent to see if I had broken the law. That's why! |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 9, 2017 13:59:31 GMT
What are the law and the rules on conduct for those inside the count? I have been to many and the internal rules I observed varied from Draconian to the very soft. At one, held in the council building we were able to use the party chambers for a TV Room and the kitchens for food, hot drinks and alcohol, at will. We used the phones and our mobiles out of sight of anyone.
I can't see what possible harm is done by any 'leaking' of any sort. The event is over. The result is what it will be. Nothing is changed in any way by gossip and information going outside. Why indeed should the insiders have a right to know more than the outsiders? why any secrecy as information getting out changes absolutely nothing at all.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 9, 2017 14:04:40 GMT
It'll be all to do with the requirement to preserve the secrecy of the ballot. R/Os typically ban mobile phone use during the count because almost all phones now have a camera.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 9, 2017 15:11:03 GMT
Who says you have to? By what or whose authority might you not be allowed to? When I was the PCC count in May I was told the following: 1) All tweets sent had to be approved by the returning officer 2) Any video recorded could not be published without the returning officer's permission (which was never given) 3) When a tweet appeared about turnout, one of the clerks and a police officer asked to see what tweets I had sent to see if I had broken the law. That's why! Seriously.........is that actually true? Genuinely outrageous if so. |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 9, 2017 16:12:39 GMT
When I was the PCC count in May I was told the following: 1) All tweets sent had to be approved by the returning officer 2) Any video recorded could not be published without the returning officer's permission (which was never given) 3) When a tweet appeared about turnout, one of the clerks and a police officer asked to see what tweets I had sent to see if I had broken the law. That's why! Seriously.........is that actually true? Genuinely outrageous if so. That's what she said so all of my tweets were observational such as "First preference count now underway" and "First Preference Declaration Imminement" as well as retweets from other parts of Dyfed Powys |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 9, 2017 21:18:29 GMT
Who says you have to? By what or whose authority might you not be allowed to? When I was the PCC count in May I was told the following: 1) All tweets sent had to be approved by the returning officer 2) Any video recorded could not be published without the returning officer's permission (which was never given) 3) When a tweet appeared about turnout, one of the clerks and a police officer asked to see what tweets I had sent to see if I had broken the law. That's why! The returning officer does not have the authority to require you to seek his or her permission to tweet anything, and any returning officer who makes such an impertinent demand should be told extremely abruptly to mind their own fuffing business. The statutory requirements for preserving the integrity of the secret ballot have their own authority without needing any impertinent jobsworth to add extra knobs on. |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 17, 2017 1:53:42 GMT
Random question: does anyone have a copy of the footage of the Scottish Conservative Party conference being told of the death of John Smith?
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Post by justin124 on Jan 21, 2017 21:34:11 GMT
Does the Returning Officer have the right to ban mobile phones from the count? I know that in the past some have kept the media - ie TV and Press - out of the count.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 27, 2017 23:26:44 GMT
I've just found a video with a recording of the by-election special from 12th December 1996 featuring Barnsley East. It's an episode of The Midnight Hour although David Dimbleby is presenting, and by the time the show started the result had already been declared. I might put it on YouTube if it isn't already on there and if anyone's interested.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 27, 2017 23:58:00 GMT
I'm sure I have that somewhere but despite going through all the VHS tapes I can place, it's not there.
The fact that the tapes of two other 1996 byelections (Hemsworth and South East Staffordshire) are also missing shows that I put them aside in a safe place, then forgot where it was.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jan 28, 2017 11:51:16 GMT
I'm sure I have that somewhere but despite going through all the VHS tapes I can place, it's not there. The fact that the tapes of two other 1996 byelections (Hemsworth and South East Staffordshire) are also missing shows that I put them aside in a safe place, then forgot where it was. Staffordshire South East (I'm a county man, me) would be fascinating to see, especially the BBC Midlands Today edition the following day. They were presenting live from the Tamworth Snowdome (and commenting that they had wanted the count to be held there) when almost on cue it started to snow in Tamworth (and as I was on holiday in Atherstone at the time, we got the same snow) |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 28, 2017 13:14:34 GMT
I'm sure I have that somewhere but despite going through all the VHS tapes I can place, it's not there. The fact that the tapes of two other 1996 byelections (Hemsworth and South East Staffordshire) are also missing shows that I put them aside in a safe place, then forgot where it was. Staffordshire South East (I'm a county man, me) would be fascinating to see, especially the BBC Midlands Today edition the following day. They were presenting live from the Tamworth Snowdome (and commenting that they had wanted the count to be held there) when almost on cue it started to snow in Tamworth (and as I was on holiday in Atherstone at the time, we got the same snow) I certainly did have that on video at one time, including Newsnight where Paxman bluntly asked Peter Kellner at the count "Who's won?", but I haven't seen it for so long that it might have got wiped. (I'd be amazed if Peter Kellner has ever visited Tamworth again since then). I also used to have both the 1992 and 1996 US election programmes from the BBC with David Dimbleby and Peter Snow, and also the 1994 Euro elections. But again they seem to have disappeared. |
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