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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 17, 2015 20:29:44 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 17, 2015 20:31:23 GMT
I don't know much about Israeli politics. Are these figures good or bad for the current PM? Exit polls averaged as per Haaretz: Labor: 27 Likud: 27 Joint List: 13 Yesh Atid: 12 Kulanu: 10 Jewish Home: 8 Shas: 7 United Torah Judaism: 6 Yisrael Beiteinu: 5 Meretz: 5 Yahad: out |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 20:40:08 GMT
On balance, probably good. The one imponderable is that Yesh Atid's leadership despises Bibi and Shas would work with the ZU.
Of course, any party in a ZU led government would have a greater number of cabinet posts as the Joint List won't sit in the government.
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 20:44:50 GMT
On balance, probably good. The one imponderable is that Yesh Atid's leadership despises Bibi and Shas would work with the ZU. Kalanu would be open to a Herzog-led government as well. Lapid went out of his way to keep the Haredim out last time. If he does it again things get complicated. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 20:47:48 GMT
On balance, probably good. The one imponderable is that Yesh Atid's leadership despises Bibi and Shas would work with the ZU. Kalanu would be open to a Herzog-led government as well. Lapid went out of his way to keep the Haredim out last time. If he does it again things get complicated. With Kalanu, Shas is unnecessary. |
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 20:50:54 GMT
Lapid went out of his way to keep the Haredim out last time. If he does it again things get complicated. With Kalanu, Shas is unnecessary. I really hope you're right but what is your combination? UTJ are just as bad as Shas and I'm sceptical of Kulanu working with Meretz, let alone the JAL. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 20:58:24 GMT
With Kalanu, Shas is unnecessary. I really hope you're right but what is your combination? UTJ are just as bad as Shas and I'm sceptical of Kulanu working with Meretz, let alone the JAL. Self-interest; a coalition of ZU,YA and Kulanu,with the non-governmental support of JL and the opposition to Bibi of Meretz (not taking seats in government), means more seats at the cabinet table. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 17, 2015 21:00:44 GMT
On those figures it won't be easy for either party to cobble together a government; a massive complicating factor for Bibi is that he's personally alienated a lot of key players that you'd otherwise assume to be in his camp. A unity government (i.e. grand coalition) is not out of the question either.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 21:02:15 GMT
On those figures it won't be easy for either party to cobble together a government; a massive complicating factor for Bibi is that he's personally alienated a lot of key players that you'd otherwise assume to be in his camp. A unity government (i.e. grand coalition) is not out of the question either. I cannot see Livni or Lapid working with Netanyahu. |
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 21:02:22 GMT
I really hope you're right but what is your combination? UTJ are just as bad as Shas and I'm sceptical of Kulanu working with Meretz, let alone the JAL. Self-interest; a coalition of ZU,YA and Kulanu,with the non-governmental support of JL and the opposition to Bibi of Meretz (not taking seats in government), means more seats at the cabinet table. I want to believe it could happen... Ultimately Lapid could try to repeat his previous manoeuvres, this time with Kulanu. Don't know if that's possible. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 17, 2015 21:08:01 GMT
Lapid went out of his way to keep the Haredim out last time. If he does it again things get complicated. With Kalanu, Shas is unnecessary. A Likud- ZU- Kulanu government, with Moshe Kahlon presiding over a Likudnik-Labour-Livinist cabinet, could be a good thing. |
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 21:30:06 GMT
On those figures it won't be easy for either party to cobble together a government; a massive complicating factor for Bibi is that he's personally alienated a lot of key players that you'd otherwise assume to be in his camp. A unity government (i.e. grand coalition) is not out of the question either. I cannot see Livni or Lapid working with Netanyahu. I can see Livni working with anyone. She has form. |
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 21:32:55 GMT
With Kalanu, Shas is unnecessary. A Likud- ZU- Kulanu government, with Moshe Kahlon presiding over a Likudnik-Labour-Livinist cabinet, could be a good thing. Surely Livni would find a way of arguing she should be premier... I don't see the largest parties agreeing to a third party leader as premier. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 17, 2015 21:54:28 GMT
For what little it's worth at this stage, Likud apparatchiks are briefing to the effect that a grand coalition would be a good idea.
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 21:56:34 GMT
For what little it's worth at this stage, Likud apparatchiks are briefing to the effect that a grand coalition would be a good idea. Please get rid of Bibi...please |
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 22:11:24 GMT
For what little it's worth at this stage, Likud apparatchiks are briefing to the effect that a grand coalition would be a good idea. It's a sign of weakness. On the other hand, the JL have said they will stop the right forming a government...could they? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 22:19:12 GMT
There is a high turnout , 25.6 percent by midday the highest rate since 1999. Bibi is complaining that Arab voters are coming out in significant numbers. How I loathe this incompetent racist scumbag. What a dead end it will be for Israel if he returns to power. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 22:19:42 GMT
For what little it's worth at this stage, Likud apparatchiks are briefing to the effect that a grand coalition would be a good idea. It's a sign of weakness. On the other hand, the JL have said they will stop the right forming a government...could they? Only if the 'moderate' parties are determined to stop Bibi, thus forming a government without crossing the 60+ barrier. |
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 17, 2015 22:21:05 GMT
It's a sign of weakness. On the other hand, the JL have said they will stop the right forming a government...could they? Only if the 'moderate' parties are determined to stop Bibi, thus forming a government without crossing the 60+ barrier. Could anyone in Likud mount a coup? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 22:31:02 GMT
Only if the 'moderate' parties are determined to stop Bibi, thus forming a government without crossing the 60+ barrier. Could anyone in Likud mount a coup? I doubt it, he has done better than expected. |
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