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Post by MeirionGwril on Mar 11, 2015 14:19:49 GMT
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Post by yamor on Mar 11, 2015 23:47:04 GMT
Really the nightmare situation for Rivlin. If Likud were to be ahead, level, or even a seat or two behind, there wouldn't have been major controversy in awarding the mandate to Bibi, however much Herzog would have complained.
With a lead of 4 or 5 seats for Herzog, it now becomes much harder to give it to Bibi even though on pure mathematics he still would find it easier to form a coalition.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 12, 2015 7:56:37 GMT
Is Reuven Rivlin the Israeli Roland Rivron?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 13, 2015 21:13:58 GMT
A controversial thought. I think that Israel could do with a period of left-wing rule. The reason I think this is because the Right and, to an extent, the Centre in Israel have shown themselves to be little more than buyers of votes from vested interests, rent-seekers and theocratic nutjobs. If you are genuinely a secular conservative or centrist in Israel, can you look at the likes of Likud, United Russia Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas and think to yourself: these people are the real deal and have a credible centre-right approach I can get on board with.
The Israeli Right needs to grow up and offer a vision beyond waving the flag and sucking up to the religious to distract the electorate from poor domestic policies.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 13, 2015 21:22:51 GMT
A controversial thought. I think that Israel could do with a period of left-wing rule. The reason I think this is because the Right and, to an extent, the Centre in Israel have shown themselves to be little more than buyers of votes from vested interests, rent-seekers and theocratic nutjobs. If you are genuinely a secular conservative or centrist in Israel, can you look at the likes of Likud, United Russia Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas and think to yourself: these people are the real deal and have a credible centre-right approach I can get on board with. The Israeli Right needs to grow up and offer a vision beyond waving the flag and sucking up to the religious to distract the electorate from poor domestic policies. Not that controversial. If I lived in Israel, I'd seriously consider voting for Herzog (and not just because his father was a Cliftonville man). Likud's economic policies are good in theory, but they don't put them into practice. So if I'm having to vote for a party of the big state, then I might as well vote for one which has a chance of a sensible domestic security/foreign policy- which is more important in Israel's case anyway tbh. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 14, 2015 9:19:07 GMT
A controversial thought. I think that Israel could do with a period of left-wing rule. The reason I think this is because the Right and, to an extent, the Centre in Israel have shown themselves to be little more than buyers of votes from vested interests, rent-seekers and theocratic nutjobs. If you are genuinely a secular conservative or centrist in Israel, can you look at the likes of Likud, United Russia Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas and think to yourself: these people are the real deal and have a credible centre-right approach I can get on board with. The Israeli Right needs to grow up and offer a vision beyond waving the flag and sucking up to the religious to distract the electorate from poor domestic policies. But are the Israeli Left any better, or are they just worse at vote-buying? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 14, 2015 13:20:46 GMT
A controversial thought. I think that Israel could do with a period of left-wing rule. The reason I think this is because the Right and, to an extent, the Centre in Israel have shown themselves to be little more than buyers of votes from vested interests, rent-seekers and theocratic nutjobs. If you are genuinely a secular conservative or centrist in Israel, can you look at the likes of Likud, United Russia Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas and think to yourself: these people are the real deal and have a credible centre-right approach I can get on board with. The Israeli Right needs to grow up and offer a vision beyond waving the flag and sucking up to the religious to distract the electorate from poor domestic policies. But are the Israeli Left any better, or are they just worse at vote-buying? Possibly not- but they at least deserve a chance to prove themselves as awful! |
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Post by yamor on Mar 14, 2015 23:21:56 GMT
Oh, they have, just not so recently!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 15, 2015 16:28:44 GMT
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 15, 2015 17:04:40 GMT
It is certainly true that his failure to say anything significant about domestic issues has led to him appearing disconnected with Israeli voters. His speech to congress also seems to have backfired, by taking part in a GOP scheme to put pressure on Obama he has risked US-Israeli relations in a way that many consider both selfish and reckless. Nancy Pelosi's remarks "I was near tears throughout the prime minister’s speech — saddened by the insult to the intelligence of the United States" was a near unprecedented rebuke by a senior US politician to an Israeli leader. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 15, 2015 18:50:50 GMT
It is certainly true that his failure to say anything significant about domestic issues has led to him appearing disconnected with Israeli voters. His speech to congress also seems to have backfired, by taking part in a GOP scheme to put pressure on Obama he has risked US-Israeli relations in a way that many consider both selfish and reckless. Nancy Pelosi's remarks "I was near tears throughout the prime minister’s speech — saddened by the insult to the intelligence of the United States" was a near unprecedented rebuke by a senior US politician to an Israeli leader. The fact that he tried to answer a legitimate question about housing costs and availability by making it about Iran really shows how little he has to offer. |
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Post by neilm on Mar 16, 2015 1:52:54 GMT
There was an interesting, if slightly too long, article on Politico recently about Netanyahu seeing himself as Churchill. I'll see if I can find it.
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Post by Richard Allen on Mar 16, 2015 12:26:05 GMT
There was an interesting, if slightly too long, article on Politico recently about Netanyahu seeing himself as Churchill. I'll see if I can find it. I can see parallels between this the GB election of 1945 and the Israeli election of 2015. |
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Post by bolbridge on Mar 16, 2015 16:11:15 GMT
Wait a second, I just read that under the Zionist Union deal, Livni would be prime minister after the first two years (if the Government lasted that long). I thought she was finished? How did she pull that one off?
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 16, 2015 18:57:45 GMT
Odd that you should mention that, because Livni has just given up the PM-sharing arrangement.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 16, 2015 19:42:53 GMT
Anyway, opinion polling finished up as follows: Labor 24-26, Likud 20-23, Joint List 12-13, YA 11-13, JH 11-13, Kulanu 8-11, Shas 7-9, UTJ 6-7, Meretz 4-6, YB 4-6, Yachad-Otzma 4-5
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 16, 2015 19:52:39 GMT
Post-end-of-opinion-polling related stuff that may or may not be of importance: Likud have been trying to put a massive squeeze on the other right-wing parties (Jewish Home in particularly sound jittery about this) but are themselves nervous about Kulanu causing significant late damage. Meanwhile in a different universe, Meretz have been trying to prevent their supporters voting tactically for Labor (which would be dangerous given the new threshold), and Labor are clearly trying to take votes from Yesh Atid.
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Post by markgoodair on Mar 17, 2015 12:43:57 GMT
There is a high turnout , 25.6 percent by midday the highest rate since 1999. Bibi is complaining that Arab voters are coming out in significant numbers.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 17, 2015 13:24:56 GMT
There is a high turnout , 25.6 percent by midday the highest rate since 1999. Bibi is complaining that Arab voters are coming out in significant numbers. Bloody electorate turning out for elections! |
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 17, 2015 13:56:38 GMT
Shas have been banned from distributing the following leaflet:  The leaflet suggests that if you vote Shas you'll go to heaven. A message brought to you by Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (pictured) who is dead. |
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