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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 5, 2015 13:28:28 GMT
I absolutely despise Netanyahu but I have to admit that this ad is absolutely brilliant. Best electoral advert I have seen in ages- thanks for that. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 5, 2015 16:41:17 GMT
The more I think about it the more I think it is ingenious. Not only is it a good ad itself, combining a serious message with tasteful humour, but it is perfect for Netanyahu. It re-enforces his perceived strengths (safe, reliable, strong) while also trying to tackling his key weaknesses (cold, angry, adversarial).
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 5, 2015 19:00:02 GMT
Polling remains unusually stable for Israel, except for a small-but-notable leaking of Jewish Home voters to Likud.
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 6, 2015 12:43:25 GMT
The more I think about it the more I think it is ingenious. Not only is it a good ad itself, combining a serious message with tasteful humour, but it is perfect for Netanyahu. It re-enforces his perceived strengths (safe, reliable, strong) while also trying to tackling his key weaknesses (cold, angry, adversarial). I agree, it's class. If it helps this massive, racist scumbag get re-elected it will be a crying shame though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 22:37:02 GMT
I've added a poll to this thread on request.
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 6, 2015 23:10:18 GMT
I've added a poll to this thread on request. I would struggle to vote for any of them although if I was forced to choose I might well go for Yesh Atid. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 6, 2015 23:22:17 GMT
Joint Arab List,for the novelty of being able to vote for a democratic Arab party in a democratic election.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 17:27:39 GMT
Meretz, the United Arab List, which has non-Arab elements, is too much an alliance of convenience for me. An understandable alliance, but my second choice. Labour/Hatnua would come third.
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Post by bolbridge on Feb 7, 2015 22:22:26 GMT
Joint Arab List,for the novelty of being able to vote for a democratic Arab party in a democratic election. I'm doing that for the moment although it's difficult - I'd like to force an end to the effective Cordon Sanitaire around the Arab parties but it might taint Labour etc. too much. |
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 7, 2015 23:49:01 GMT
Zionist Camp reluctantly, because a two state solution is more realisticly achievable than a multicultural state (even though that is the best solution these days). Tzipi moves in the right direction these days post Kadima.
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 9, 2015 20:43:24 GMT
I'll admit to not being the best informed on Israeli politics, but when it looked into it for the last election I think I came out closest to Meretz.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 20, 2015 22:22:27 GMT
Polling is still quite stable, though Likud have fallen back into the lower twenties again. Quite a few polls show a dead heat for first place. However, there is a more unusual poll to highlight; one of Arab votes.
It shows the following: Joint List 66.9%, Labor 5.7%, Meretz 4.3%, Likud 4.3%. Note that Druze are included. The poll also shows that about 62% intend to vote (a notable - if not massive - rise on the last election), that the main issue for 70% is the economy and that 60% would like the Joint List to be part of the government.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 20, 2015 22:59:26 GMT
To what extent is the economy being the major issue surprising? I'd presume Israeli Arabs are rather more economically disadvantaged than the population as a whole?
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 20, 2015 23:24:12 GMT
To what extent is the economy being the major issue surprising? Not surprising at all. Yes, particularly the more marginal elements (i.e. Bedouin). |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 21, 2015 12:20:12 GMT
Polling is still quite stable, though Likud have fallen back into the lower twenties again. Quite a few polls show a dead heat for first place. However, there is a more unusual poll to highlight; one of Arab votes. It shows the following: Joint List 66.9%, Labor 5.7%, Meretz 4.3%, Likud 4.3%. Note that Druze are included. The poll also shows that about 62% intend to vote (a notable - if not massive - rise on the last election), that the main issue for 70% is the economy and that 60% would like the Joint List to be part of the government. I would be pleased to see the Joint List join the government. Can you imagine the signal that a democratically-elected Arab party sharing power would send not just to the more intransigent section of Israeli society, but also to the wider Arab world? |
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Post by bolbridge on Feb 21, 2015 15:58:22 GMT
Polling is still quite stable, though Likud have fallen back into the lower twenties again. Quite a few polls show a dead heat for first place. However, there is a more unusual poll to highlight; one of Arab votes. It shows the following: Joint List 66.9%, Labor 5.7%, Meretz 4.3%, Likud 4.3%. Note that Druze are included. The poll also shows that about 62% intend to vote (a notable - if not massive - rise on the last election), that the main issue for 70% is the economy and that 60% would like the Joint List to be part of the government. I would be pleased to see the Joint List join the government. Can you imagine the signal that a democratically-elected Arab party sharing power would send not just to the more intransigent section of Israeli society, but also to the wider Arab world? I have put Joint List above on the basis that if it can be enough of a counterweight to the rightists it can force a more peace-minded agenda from the Government. Also, I wouldn't touch Livni with a bargepole (how does she do it?), while I respect the deals done by Yesh Atid last time I don't think I could stomach a party which coalesces with the far right. As for Meretz, since they haven't been in a Government for what seems like forever anyway, why not just go the whole hog and vote JL? Then again, the JL probably aren't sound enough on LGBT rights, so it might have to be Meretz. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 22, 2015 18:01:07 GMT
Though of the parties in the Joint List the only one that could plausibly join a hypothetical government would be the Commies (the UAL is dominated by Islamists, while Balad and Ta'al are both nationalist), and that would still be extremely unlikely. The desire for it to happen despite that (and despite Hadash being cold-shouldered by Barak in 1999) is interesting though.
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Post by Richard Cromwell on Feb 23, 2015 16:31:52 GMT
Joint Arab List (Hadash/Balad)...
Forgive my total lack of knowledge as to what that means or how the Israeli electoral culture works at all.
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Post by Devonian on Mar 3, 2015 20:41:25 GMT
Netanyahu's speech to the US Congress
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 5, 2015 18:13:02 GMT
lol
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