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Post by johnloony on Aug 29, 2014 11:57:24 GMT
Roger Lord telling the BBC he might stand for the Tories. Oh, you lucky, lucky, Tories. Someone should tell him "when you're in a hole, stop digging" |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:01:45 GMT
Roger Lord telling the BBC he might stand for the Tories. Oh, you lucky, lucky, Tories. Actually, might not be a bad gamble electorally speaking. It would allow us to look like the common man against the professional ukip politican. Mind you, the fact that the guy is clearly a lunatic might come back to bite us on the arse. Choice between swivel eyed loony a or swivel eyed loony b would be a fun choice for the people of Clacton  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:04:26 GMT
I'm getting the distinct whiff of the Haltemprices about this one, you know....
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 29, 2014 12:05:42 GMT
Roger Lord telling the BBC he might stand for the Tories. Oh, you lucky, lucky, Tories. Actually, might not be a bad gamble electorally speaking. It would allow us to look like the common man against the professional ukip politican. Mind you, the fact that the guy is clearly a lunatic might come back to bite us on the arse. Choice between swivel eyed loony a or swivel eyed loony b would be a fun choice for the people of Clacton This is shaping up to be a very entertaining by election all round. Now if the Lib dems could select Lembit... |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 29, 2014 12:06:40 GMT
Roger Lord telling the BBC he might stand for the Tories. Oh, you lucky, lucky, Tories. Actually, might not be a bad gamble electorally speaking. It would allow us to look like the common man against the professional ukip politican. Mind you, the fact that the guy is clearly a lunatic might come back to bite us on the arse. Choice between swivel eyed loony a or swivel eyed loony b would be a fun choice for the people of Clacton They could always vote Labour instead |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:06:33 GMT
Actually, might not be a bad gamble electorally speaking. It would allow us to look like the common man against the professional ukip politican. Mind you, the fact that the guy is clearly a lunatic might come back to bite us on the arse. Choice between swivel eyed loony a or swivel eyed loony b would be a fun choice for the people of Clacton This is shaping up to be a very entertaining by election all round. Now if the Lib dems could select Lembit... *Internet explodes* |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:08:28 GMT
Actually, might not be a bad gamble electorally speaking. It would allow us to look like the common man against the professional ukip politican. Mind you, the fact that the guy is clearly a lunatic might come back to bite us on the arse. Choice between swivel eyed loony a or swivel eyed loony b would be a fun choice for the people of Clacton They could always vote Labour instead I get the distinct impression that labour won't spend anything on this election in order to maximise tory humiliation. Its pretty clear you will come 3rd, most likely with a decreased share of the vote. It would be awfully nice of you to work Jaywick and inner Clacton hard though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:19:17 GMT
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Post by Tangent on Aug 29, 2014 13:08:14 GMT
They could always vote Labour instead I get the distinct impression that labour won't spend anything on this election in order to maximise tory humiliation. Its pretty clear you will come 3rd, most likely with a decreased share of the vote. It would be awfully nice of you to work Jaywick and inner Clacton hard though. From Labour's perspective, treating the seat as a no-hoper might be easier, but they have, I would argue, a stronger potential base than in Clacton, and their potential voters here are similar to voters in places like Great Yarmouth and Waveney who need to be won over. Labour would be wise to work out how to attempt to shift the agenda over to them locally, and, at least, protect their vote in Clacton proper from squeezing. EAL - is it likely, do you think, that Tony Allen will stand again for Tendring First? While he would be unlikely to do more than save his deposit at the very best, it seems to me that his appeal in Frinton could make a difference if things are tight, and he can at least keep TF's visibility high for 2016. |
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Post by Devonian on Aug 29, 2014 18:49:43 GMT
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Post by norfolkfeller on Aug 29, 2014 20:45:55 GMT
From Labour's perspective, treating the seat as a no-hoper might be easier, but they have, I would argue, a stronger potential base than in Clacton, and their potential voters here are similar to voters in places like Great Yarmouth and Waveney who need to be won over. Labour would be wise to work out how to attempt to shift the agenda over to them locally, and, at least, protect their vote in Clacton proper from squeezing. I can tell you something of interest from Labour's May results in Yarmouth. First it's important to know that Ukip barely campaigned at all in many of the 10 wards they won, concentrating on what they thought were the one or two winnables. Both the Tories and Labour said that they had failed to detect any Ukip campaigning at all in at least four wards taken by Ukip - in fact the gripe common to both parties was that the BBC and other media were almost campaigning on Ukip's behalf, the message from the doorsteps being that the long slew of anti-Ukip stories were clearly backfiring. I was of the same view - what offends sensitive liberal minds does not necessarily offend working-class voters. In three wards only did Labour increase its vote. One was that of the council leader, who has a large personal following and could put bodies on the ground - he held. The other was fought by Tony Wright, the former Yarmouth MP, who likewise has a personal following and could put bodies on the ground. He lost to Ukip. The most interesting was the Southtown and Cobholm ward, which is thoroughly working-class and known to be a hotbed of Ukip support. A Labour first-timer attempted to hold the ward, which had certainly been neglected by complacent Labour councillors, campaigning with barely any local party support at all. She fought an aggressive leftish "re-connect" campaign, the only example in Yarmouth, and persuaded many would-be Ukip voters back to Labour. She increased the Labour vote markedly, but still lost to Ukip by a dead 50. Even the Ukip victor admitted that the simultaneous Euros had won him the ward, and he thought the Labour candidate had found the key to beating Ukip. Ukippers will be pleased that Yarmouth Labour has and intends to virtually ignore the lesson of Southtown and Cobholm, and that PPC Lara Norris, despite early promise, is looking more and more like the sort of Labour operative who turns voters to Ukip. |
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Post by Devonian on Aug 29, 2014 23:30:22 GMT
Labour candidate will be Tim Young who is a councillor for the St Andrews Ward on Colchester Borough Council
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Aug 30, 2014 8:37:45 GMT
Roger Lord telling the BBC he might stand for the Tories. Oh, you lucky, lucky, Tories. Actually, might not be a bad gamble electorally speaking. It would allow us to look like the common man against the professional ukip politican. No it wouldn't. It'd look like a wealthy farmer/landowner versus a professional politician. They could always vote Labour instead I get the distinct impression that labour won't spend anything on this election in order to maximise tory humiliation. Its pretty clear you will come 3rd, most likely with a decreased share of the vote. It would be awfully nice of you to work Jaywick and inner Clacton hard though. Check the local election results - there's a decent Tory vote in both Jaywick and the more deprived bits of Clacton proper, so a strong Labour campaign there would be unlikely to harm UKIP's prospects. EAL - is it likely, do you think, that Tony Allen will stand again for Tendring First? While he would be unlikely to do more than save his deposit at the very best, it seems to me that his appeal in Frinton could make a difference if things are tight, and he can at least keep TF's visibility high for 2016. I've got no special knowledge, but it wouldn't surprise me if Tendring First took a crack at it. Might not necessarily be Terry Allen though. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 30, 2014 16:50:40 GMT
Roger Lord interviewed on BBC News:
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Post by Ben Walker on Aug 30, 2014 17:10:48 GMT
Roger Lord interviewed on BBC News: *major cringe* Lord is a fucking embarrassment. Pardon my language. |
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Post by greenchristian on Aug 30, 2014 17:31:45 GMT
So what are the odds of Lord standing against Carswell?
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 30, 2014 17:35:11 GMT
So what are the odds of Lord standing against Carswell? Very low I think. There are plenty of other seats in the area where Lord could stand. Harwich & N Essex for example. Farage could encourage him to put himself forward for one of those other constituencies. |
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Post by Devonian on Aug 30, 2014 21:01:00 GMT
I am so glad that David is on the ball here, to have a defection from Con to UKIP at the Westminster level is not that strange (I seem to recall that Castle Point had the same thing during the last Parliament) but a defection by-election is so rare I think we have to go back to Mitcham and Morden (in 1982 if memory serves)? When was the last 'resignation re election' before David Davis? I had a look at the lists of by election records on Wikipedia to find out how many by elections there had been where the incumbant resigned and then ran for relection under a new party label. I could find 16. 1884 Brighton - William Thackeray Marriott switched from Liberal to Conservative and won the by election under his new party label. This seems to have been the first of this specific type of by election 1890 Barrow-in-Furness - The pro-temperence William Sproston Caine resigned the Liberal Unionist whip over government policy on public houses and stood as an Independent Liberal in the by election. He was defeated in the by election by the Liberal candidate 1895 East Wicklow - John Sweetman switched from anti-Parnellite to Parnellite. He was defeated in the by election by the anti-Parnellite candidate 1898 Great Grimsby - Sir George Doughty switched from Liberal to Liberal Unionist then won the by election 1899 Osgoldcross - Sir John Austin resigned the Liberal whip following a vote of no confidence in him by his local Liberal Association who were unhappy with his opposition to their pro-temperance views. He won re-election as an Independent Liberal against an official Liberal candidate. 1902 Orkney and Shetland - John Cathcart Wason switched from Liberal Unionism to Independent Liberal. He won the by election and then immediately after took the Liberal whip. 1904 Isle of Wight - John Edward Bernard Seely resigned the Conservative whip. Was returned unopposed in the by election and then took the Liberal whip 1906 Mid Cork - D. D. Sheehan resigned from the Irish Parliamentary Party and was returned unopposed as an Independent Nationalist 1909 Stratford-on-Avon - Thomas Kincaid-Smith resigned from the Liberals and ran as an Independent. He came third and the Conservative candidate won the poll. 1912 Bow and Bromley - George Lansbury resigned to fight a by election on the issue of women's suffrage. He did not get official Labour Party support to run as the Labour candidate (although he was supported by his CLP) and ran as 'Women's Suffrage and Socialist'. He was defeated by the Conservative candidate. 1926 Kingston-upon-Hull Central - Joseph Montague Kenworthy switched from Liberal to Labour. He won the by election. 1927 Southwark North - Leslie Haden-Guest resigned from the Labour Party. He ran as an Independent 'Constitutionalist' and ended up third in the poll, which was won by the Liberal candidate. 1929 Preston - William Allen Jowitt switched from Liberal to Labour and won the by election 1938 Kinross and Western Perthshire - The Duchess of Atholl resigned the Unionist whip as protest against the appeasement policy. She ran as an Independent and was defeated by the Unionist candidate. 1973 Lincoln - Dick Taverne resigned from Labour and was reelected as Democratic Labour 1982 Mitcham and Morden - Bruce Douglas-Mann switched from Labour to SDP. He was defeated in the by election by the Conservative candidate. |
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Post by neilm on Aug 30, 2014 21:03:30 GMT
Didn't Joseph Ball have a hand in making the Duchess of Atholl's political life an unhappy one?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 30, 2014 21:04:42 GMT
Survation (commissioned by the Mail on Sunday) has done a constituency poll in Clacton, and it's gone on their front page tomorrow. Findings are:  |
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