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Post by carlton43 on Sept 15, 2014 9:43:44 GMT
"All eyes are focused on Scotland, but on the eastern edge of England, 2014's other great political revolt is in full effect. In the first of a new four-part series titled Britain's in trouble, John Harris travels around Ukip's eastern heartlands and finds poverty, anger and the breakdown of normal politics. From the forgotten residents of Jaywick, England's poorest council ward, to an encounter with Nigel Farage at the Royal British Legion, he finds out how a force made up largely of Tory exiles has managed to style itself as a party for the working class": www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/15/ukip-england-east-world-upside-down-video?CMP=twt_guThanks for posting that. Jaywick does look depressed and has gained enough coverage to probably see some attention given to it. It is an interesting analysis correctly pointing up the odd nature of political affiliation that is so often based on incoherence and even the irrational...........but in the head it makes a sense all of its own. He was wrong to imply that UKIP plays the naked immigration card of "...it's all their fault...', because it doesn't. It is something in fact quite different. It is the politics of controlled anger, of anti-Modernism, of anti-Metropolitanism, of anti-socialism and to a degree of implicit revenge for an array of long felt and deeply felt wrongs. UKIP don't need to voice those 'wrongs' for each man supplies that for himself in his own head. UKIP merely needs to be the vehicle to bring the feelings out and give them the oxygen of recognition......the 'We Feel Your Pain Too'! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:14:13 GMT
"All eyes are focused on Scotland, but on the eastern edge of England, 2014's other great political revolt is in full effect. In the first of a new four-part series titled Britain's in trouble, John Harris travels around Ukip's eastern heartlands and finds poverty, anger and the breakdown of normal politics. From the forgotten residents of Jaywick, England's poorest council ward, to an encounter with Nigel Farage at the Royal British Legion, he finds out how a force made up largely of Tory exiles has managed to style itself as a party for the working class": www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/15/ukip-england-east-world-upside-down-video?CMP=twt_guWatching that video has brought one thing home to me: the similarities with the SNP are uncanny, even if the specific policies are different. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 15, 2014 11:20:37 GMT
"All eyes are focused on Scotland, but on the eastern edge of England, 2014's other great political revolt is in full effect. In the first of a new four-part series titled Britain's in trouble, John Harris travels around Ukip's eastern heartlands and finds poverty, anger and the breakdown of normal politics. From the forgotten residents of Jaywick, England's poorest council ward, to an encounter with Nigel Farage at the Royal British Legion, he finds out how a force made up largely of Tory exiles has managed to style itself as a party for the working class": www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/15/ukip-england-east-world-upside-down-video?CMP=twt_guWatching that video has brought one thing home to me: the similarities with the SNP are uncanny, even if the specific policies are different. No, they really are not close at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:21:09 GMT
"All eyes are focused on Scotland, but on the eastern edge of England, 2014's other great political revolt is in full effect. In the first of a new four-part series titled Britain's in trouble, John Harris travels around Ukip's eastern heartlands and finds poverty, anger and the breakdown of normal politics. From the forgotten residents of Jaywick, England's poorest council ward, to an encounter with Nigel Farage at the Royal British Legion, he finds out how a force made up largely of Tory exiles has managed to style itself as a party for the working class": www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2014/sep/15/ukip-england-east-world-upside-down-video?CMP=twt_guWatching that video has brought one thing home to me: the similarities with the SNP are uncanny, even if the specific policies are different. Despite the bluster, they are two peas from the same pod. |
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 15, 2014 11:23:12 GMT
Watching that video has brought one thing home to me: the similarities with the SNP are uncanny, even if the specific policies are different. Despite the bluster, they are two peas from the same pod. No they are not and it is quite absurd to see them in the same light. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 12:13:26 GMT
Despite the bluster, they are two peas from the same pod. No they are not and it is quite absurd to see them in the same light. I'm not with you Carlton, there are similarities in the "anti-Westminster" message, the "alternative to the three-parties" attitude. The SNP is not a party that stands for anti-politics but there's much more in common than not about two political parties led by avuncular gentlemen setting themselves apart from the three main London-based parties. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 12:44:29 GMT
'Westminster is run by a cosy clique who aren't on our side but in politics for themselves'
'It's to give the rest a shake up, they don't give a monkeys what happens down here [...] at least its an up yours, start listening to the people who vote for you'
'There's a phenomenon that's going about that youse guys in the media can't quite address, because you come on national television and you say, no matter how much we're throwing at these guys, they're actually going up in the polls'
'A huge army of politicians will descend on us from Westminster'
'[UKIP is] not the private property of a small clique in London who went to the same Oxbridge colleges, studied the same PPE degrees, parachuted into safe seats, it's a genuine new and democratic movement'
'People are struggling, and they're not very happy with the way the country's going, and Westminster's about ten thousand miles away, and the political class don't connect with them at all, and they don't think that anybody in elected office is standing up for the working man'
'Capitalism is that you want a free market and not a Soviet state, but you say that Thatcherism actually got one thing fundamentally wrong, is that she said that there's no such thing as a society, but there is'
'They want a better England [...] with more jobs for more people to go to work like my son'
'Yeah I am brassed off, I'm a working man, I paid all my taxes and everything, and if anything goes wrong with me or my family, and I get thrown out of my house because I don't pay my mortgage, I'll be put in a one-bedroom bedsit'
'I always voted Labour [so what changed?] well that bloody Blair, he went more bloody Tory than the bloody Tories, didn't he?'
'He's doing it for the working man, isn't he?'
'Bloody Thatcher got in and fucking destroyed it, didn't she? Done the working class in, didn't she?'
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All I'll say is this: Go canvassing in some of the grottier parts of Scotland sometime.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 15, 2014 23:15:02 GMT
UKIP's appeal certainly stems from a similar place to the SNP's. That's not necessarily indicative of the way it campaigns, though - the Carswell leaflet I've seen is fairly straightforward cost of living stuff, most of which reads like a notably unoriginal Labour cost of living leaflet. Though it does mention he makes his own jam, which I can't say I've seen on a piece of electoral communication before.
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Post by neilm on Sept 16, 2014 10:05:04 GMT
I'm sympathetic to all of those views. I feel alienated, ignored, marginalised and neglected. I'm a well educated white guy in my early thirties so heaven knows what people less well off than me (in every sense) think. At some stage the kettle will need to let off a bit of steam.
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Post by Devonian on Sept 16, 2014 16:25:45 GMT
Its being reported that there will be 8 candidates in Clacton. SOPN not on Council website yet
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Post by Ben Walker on Sept 16, 2014 17:03:57 GMT
Any late bets Roger Lord makes a star appearance with An Independence from Europe?
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 16, 2014 17:25:21 GMT
No BNP candidate. They polled 4.6% in 2010.
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Post by AdminSTB on Sept 16, 2014 17:30:00 GMT
Carswell, Douglas - UK Independence Party
Graham, Andy - Liberal Democrats
Hope, Howling Laud - The Official Monster Raving Loony Party
Rose, Charlotte - Independent
Sizer, Bruce Francis - Independent
Southall, Chris - Green Party
Watling, Giles - Conservative
Young, Tim - Labour
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Post by Devonian on Sept 16, 2014 17:33:42 GMT
Confirmed list of candidates from the BBC Carswell, Douglas - UK Independence Party Graham, Andy - Liberal Democrats Hope, Howling Laud - The Official Monster Raving Loony Party Rose, Charlotte - Independent Sizer, Bruce Francis - Independent Southall, Chris - Green Party Watling, Giles - Conservative Young, Tim - Labour www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29027997still no SOPN on the Tendring Council website |
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Post by Devonian on Sept 16, 2014 17:37:24 GMT
No BNP candidate. They polled 4.6% in 2010. Shows the extent of the collapse of the BNP. Also I notice that the Patriotic Socialist Party didn't make it on the the ballot |
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 16, 2014 17:47:19 GMT
Bruce Sizer appears to be a consultant at Colchester Hospital.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 18:16:24 GMT
No BNP candidate. They polled 4.6% in 2010. Shows the extent of the collapse of the BNP. Also I notice that the Patriotic Socialist Party didn't make it on the the ballot I'm sure Stotty will post an explanation somewhere |
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Post by Tony Otim on Sept 16, 2014 19:14:15 GMT
Any one know anything about the two indys?
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 16, 2014 19:52:22 GMT
Apparently John Black of the Scottish Jacobite Party had his nomination rejected.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 19:53:40 GMT
Apparently John Black of the Scottish Jacobite Party had his nomination rejected. If he only registered as a party in Scotland, he can't stand anywhere else. |
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