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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 20:52:30 GMT
link to news about Yarm ReferendumIt seems that Yarm, wants to go back to Yorkshire and not be under the control of Stockton council. It's the first I have heard of a town wishing to leave one council to go join another. I am sure older wiser heads may have examples. 90% of the Yarm populus have voted in favour, but nothing is legally binding. But it may happen in the future where Yarm leaves Stockton to join Hambleton. Just felt it interesting do others have examples of where people don't want to be part of the council they are in at present?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 29, 2014 20:55:06 GMT
It can't go back to Yorkshire. It is in Yorkshire. Counties can't be moved. Administrative units can, but they are just temporary structures.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 29, 2014 20:58:33 GMT
The Tan Hill Inn supporters petitioned to get the 1974 Yorkshire/Durham boundary moved from their front wall to their back wall to put them back in Yorkshire.
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Post by J.G.Harston on May 29, 2014 21:06:29 GMT
But Yarm is separated from North Yorkshire by Kirklevington and Castlelevington. Yarm would be a pene-exclave unless they took those two as well. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 29, 2014 21:06:34 GMT
Louise Baldock posted another thread about this earlier today. I think she was hoping that it would be moved out of Stockton South in time for the next election  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 29, 2014 21:12:07 GMT
On one level, Yarm can't defect to Yorkshire because it has never been out of Yorkshire. It may have been in Cleveland for administrative purposes but that was an artificial county not a real one. It hasn't been transferred to Durham or to Lancashire.
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Post by carlton43 on May 29, 2014 22:08:18 GMT
Quite right too. I am astonished that many more towns don't wish to do the same?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 29, 2014 22:45:07 GMT
Altrincham tried to cut and run to Cheshire when I was a teenager- probably about 2001. Unfortunately I can find no links.
And of course, Southport has been at it for years.
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Post by oldwarhorse on May 29, 2014 22:55:42 GMT
That's not strictly true. I was brought up in Yarm, probably need to make that clear to you.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 29, 2014 22:58:44 GMT
I thought you were Irish? Aren't we all?
(I actually am)
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Post by oldwarhorse on May 29, 2014 23:09:23 GMT
In point of fact as a genealogist I can say I am 15/16ths English but the last 16th is indeed Irish, my dad's mum's gran was from Athlone albeit from a time when it was British.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 29, 2014 23:13:15 GMT
Colonialist!
I'm half from Down. Though a quarter were from Sligo until about 1910 when they got burnt out for daring to be Protestant. The other three quarters are Papist, either from Down or northern Italy. Though my Italian grandfather was born in Tower Hamlets, to confuse the issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 23:18:44 GMT
Southport should do this.
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2014 0:00:21 GMT
Southport should do this. I agree. Sefton is a really illogical mess which looks as if its all that was left over after everything else had been found a municipal home - but at present Southport is overwhelmingly LibDem, and the rest of Sefton is mostly Labour. Hence it probably doesn't benefit from such a strange borough - any more than did Labour Bootle when all the other areas were electing Tory or LibDem councillors Southport feels like a different place. Bootle, Crosby, even Maghull, is clearly Liverpool - and frankly so is Formby, its full of people who have made a bit of cash and moved there from Liverpool. The accents are scouse-tinged. Not that they would want to admit it! But Southport just doesn't feel like part of a Merseyside met : is it large enough to be a unitary, though? I think they weren't too keen about being a district? |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 30, 2014 7:45:38 GMT
Southport should do this. I agree. Sefton is a really illogical mess which looks as if its all that was left over after everything else had been found a municipal home - but at present Southport is overwhelmingly LibDem, and the rest of Sefton is mostly Labour. Hence it probably doesn't benefit from such a strange borough - any more than did Labour Bootle when all the other areas were electing Tory or LibDem councillors Southport feels like a different place. Bootle, Crosby, even Maghull, is clearly Liverpool - and frankly so is Formby, its full of people who have made a bit of cash and moved there from Liverpool. The accents are scouse-tinged. Not that they would want to admit it! But Southport just doesn't feel like part of a Merseyside met : is it large enough to be a unitary, though? I think they weren't too keen about being a district? It's full of Mancunian retirees! I used to go there at lot as my own grandparents retired to there. But yes, it feels entirely different. Not helped by the train links to Liverpool, which have never been that fast. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2014 9:23:07 GMT
Colonialist! I'm half from Down. Though a quarter were from Sligo until about 1910 when they got burnt out for daring to be Protestant. The other three quarters are Papist, either from Down or northern Italy. Though my Italian grandfather was born in Tower Hamlets, to confuse the issue. Bloody Hell...Figgis! You are nowt but furriner.....veritable recusant bog-trotting eyetie! I am off for a brief lie down. |
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Post by chorleyboy on May 30, 2014 11:12:17 GMT
Southport should do this. I agree. Sefton is a really illogical mess which looks as if its all that was left over after everything else had been found a municipal home - but at present Southport is overwhelmingly LibDem, and the rest of Sefton is mostly Labour. Hence it probably doesn't benefit from such a strange borough - any more than did Labour Bootle when all the other areas were electing Tory or LibDem councillors Southport feels like a different place. Bootle, Crosby, even Maghull, is clearly Liverpool - and frankly so is Formby, its full of people who have made a bit of cash and moved there from Liverpool. The accents are scouse-tinged. Not that they would want to admit it! But Southport just doesn't feel like part of a Merseyside met : is it large enough to be a unitary, though? I think they weren't too keen about being a district? I thought the issue was that Southport wanted out of Merseyside? If they re-joined Lancashire they would have to become a district, but they would be in a better position, as they could run their own affairs at a very local level. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 11:56:24 GMT
I agree. Sefton is a really illogical mess which looks as if its all that was left over after everything else had been found a municipal home - but at present Southport is overwhelmingly LibDem, and the rest of Sefton is mostly Labour. Hence it probably doesn't benefit from such a strange borough - any more than did Labour Bootle when all the other areas were electing Tory or LibDem councillors Southport feels like a different place. Bootle, Crosby, even Maghull, is clearly Liverpool - and frankly so is Formby, its full of people who have made a bit of cash and moved there from Liverpool. The accents are scouse-tinged. Not that they would want to admit it! But Southport just doesn't feel like part of a Merseyside met : is it large enough to be a unitary, though? I think they weren't too keen about being a district? I thought the issue was that Southport wanted out of Merseyside? If they re-joined Lancashire they would have to become a district, but they would be in a better position, as they could run their own affairs at a very local level. Southport into West Lancashire would change the dynamic of that borough, even its centre of gravity, but they would be speaking amongst fellow Lancastrians rather than being drowned out as they seem to know (not dismissing the great work by our team there, obviously) |
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Post by chorleyboy on May 30, 2014 12:25:03 GMT
Given that Southport is large enough to have it's own parliamentary constituency (though whether the MP (John Pugh) will be a Liberal Democrat for much longer is obviously a different issue), surely it could justify going it alone.
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Post by carlton43 on May 30, 2014 12:55:57 GMT
Given that Southport is large enough to have it's own parliamentary constituency (though whether the MP (John Pugh) will be a Liberal Democrat for much longer is obviously a different issue), surely it could justify going it alone. Good heavens! Is he considering changing party? |
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