The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 27, 2014 10:10:06 GMT
There is also at least one countermanded election from May 22 already (in Herts)
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 27, 2014 11:28:15 GMT
Don't some people think this was linked to "voting"? The beer was terrible too, according to posts on the sheffield history website. Yes, if you interpret the wielding of offensive weapons with intent as 'voting'. Being a bit precious aren't you? Can't drink in a pub because of an arcane connection of the name to some form of possible threat lying behind an outmoded name for an administrative area! What about the names Dirk, Sword, Dagger, Cudgels, Lancet, Fort, Castle, Battle and Bucket of Blood? |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 27, 2014 11:29:41 GMT
His or yours? Like the UKIP purple background, but much preferred your original. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 11:46:05 GMT
His or yours? Like the UKIP purple background, but much preferred your original. The previous one had a Tory blue hoodie, though. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 27, 2014 12:16:27 GMT
Yes, if you interpret the wielding of offensive weapons with intent as 'voting'. Being a bit precious aren't you? Can't drink in a pub because of an arcane connection of the name to some form of possible threat lying behind an outmoded name for an administrative area! What about the names Dirk, Sword, Dagger, Cudgels, Lancet, Fort, Castle, Battle and Bucket of Blood? The picture may also have been relevant. Let me amend my previous remark: I'd be wary of drinking in crap-looking pubs whose names refer to the public display of offensive weapons. Is there actually a pub called the Bucket of Blood? Sounds similarly unappealing to me. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 27, 2014 12:32:37 GMT
Being a bit precious aren't you? Can't drink in a pub because of an arcane connection of the name to some form of possible threat lying behind an outmoded name for an administrative area! What about the names Dirk, Sword, Dagger, Cudgels, Lancet, Fort, Castle, Battle and Bucket of Blood? The picture may also have been relevant. Let me amend my previous remark: I'd be wary of drinking in crap-looking pubs whose names refer to the public display of offensive weapons. Is there actually a pub called the Bucket of Blood? Sounds similarly unappealing to me. "Wapontake" doesn't refer to the public display of offensive weapons, it's a medival administrative division, and yes, one of those administrative functions was gathering together a militia, but on that basis you should also object to something named Yorkshire County regiment, Highland Fusiliers, Welsh Rifles, etc. [/b] |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 27, 2014 12:32:59 GMT
Being a bit precious aren't you? Can't drink in a pub because of an arcane connection of the name to some form of possible threat lying behind an outmoded name for an administrative area! What about the names Dirk, Sword, Dagger, Cudgels, Lancet, Fort, Castle, Battle and Bucket of Blood? The picture may also have been relevant. Let me amend my previous remark: I'd be wary of drinking in crap-looking pubs whose names refer to the public display of offensive weapons. Is there actually a pub called the Bucket of Blood? Sounds similarly unappealing to me. There is. It's in Hayle, Cornwall. Grade II listed. The Lamb and Flag in Rose Street, Covent Garden also used to be known coloquially as the Bucket of Blood because it used to stage prize fights. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 27, 2014 12:39:57 GMT
Being a bit precious aren't you? Can't drink in a pub because of an arcane connection of the name to some form of possible threat lying behind an outmoded name for an administrative area! What about the names Dirk, Sword, Dagger, Cudgels, Lancet, Fort, Castle, Battle and Bucket of Blood? The picture may also have been relevant. Let me amend my previous remark: I'd be wary of drinking in crap-looking pubs whose names refer to the public display of offensive weapons. Is there actually a pub called the Bucket of Blood? Sounds similarly unappealing to me. As so often, I must agree with you. I actually knew that pub and you are quite right about it. I also very much dislike that form of script for any purpose. It is a warning in itself. Yes there is/was a Bucket of Blood? So many have closed since I started my association with alcohol at a beerhouse between Bockingford and Tovil in the 50s aged 14 (I shaved early!) that cannot be sure now. Another favourite from Kent was the Hook and Hatchet near Hollingbourne, run in the 60s by a strange mother and daughter. They often cleared the bars for a lock-in of a few favourites only. That once involved me against my will, as I was out back at the heads and returned to find all but three naval officers had been purged. I was forbidden to leave and had to change to gin from bitter.........but it was free and I was put up for the night! |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 27, 2014 12:46:10 GMT
The picture may also have been relevant. Let me amend my previous remark: I'd be wary of drinking in crap-looking pubs whose names refer to the public display of offensive weapons. Is there actually a pub called the Bucket of Blood? Sounds similarly unappealing to me. There is. It's in Hayle, Cornwall. Grade II listed. The Lamb and Flag in Rose Street, Covent Garden also used to be known coloquially as the Bucket of Blood because it used to stage prize fights. Many thanks for the prompt. I have used both. Are they still extant? |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 27, 2014 12:57:07 GMT
They are. As is the Hook and Hatchet in Hucking (try saying that after a couple of pints of Bishop's Finger).
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 27, 2014 13:06:25 GMT
They are. As is the Hook and Hatchet in Hucking (try saying that after a couple of pints of Bishop's Finger). Oh! Deep joy. Does it still have an external heads with an enormous 'Members Enclosure' sign resting on top of it.........stolen from Ascot so I was told? No Bishop's then. I had to wait for my Suffolk days before being introduced to the Nun's Delight! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 13:17:30 GMT
Being a bit precious aren't you? Can't drink in a pub because of an arcane connection of the name to some form of possible threat lying behind an outmoded name for an administrative area! What about the names Dirk, Sword, Dagger, Cudgels, Lancet, Fort, Castle, Battle and Bucket of Blood? The picture may also have been relevant. Let me amend my previous remark: I'd be wary of drinking in crap-looking pubs whose names refer to the public display of offensive weapons. Is there actually a pub called the Bucket of Blood? Sounds similarly unappealing to me. The Ship in Lathom, just outside Burscough, was once the Blood Bucket. I wouldn't call that place unappealing. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 27, 2014 20:25:20 GMT
The picture may also have been relevant. Let me amend my previous remark: I'd be wary of drinking in crap-looking pubs whose names refer to the public display of offensive weapons. Is there actually a pub called the Bucket of Blood? Sounds similarly unappealing to me. "Wapontake" doesn't refer to the public display of offensive weapons, it's a medival administrative division, and yes, one of those administrative functions was gathering together a militia, but on that basis you should also object to something named Yorkshire County regiment, Highland Fusiliers, Welsh Rifles, etc. [/b][/quote] It's a medieval administrative division, but the name comes from the Old Norse words vápn ('weapon', I think here in the genitive plural) and taka ('to take'). It fairly obviously refers to the brandishing of weapons in connection with the meeting of the division, though it's not entirely certain in what context. It's possible it refers to it being a gathering of all those allowed to bear weapons (i. e. free men); or to weapons not being carried at the assembly but being collected afterwards; or to signalling agreement by waving weapons (the equivalent of AK-47s at weddings in the North West Frontier). Very unlikely to be to do with a militia though. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 28, 2014 20:23:34 GMT
Very unlikely to be to do with a militia though. Militia as in body of men for non-professional military service. Each wapentake was responsible for supplying men for military service when required (ie, demanded) by the representative of the King. The word comes from "meetingplace", but folk etymology has it that it comes from "those who take (ie carry)/are allowed to take (ie carry) weapons". |
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Post by marksenior on Apr 29, 2014 7:59:55 GMT
Terry Wilkins , Conservative councillor for Illogan on Cornwall UA has or is about to resign following the local scandal where he has been exposed as falsely claiming an MBE for a number of years .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 12:39:11 GMT
Terry Wilkins , Conservative councillor for Illogan on Cornwall UA has or is about to resign following the local scandal where he has been exposed as falsely claiming an MBE for a number of years . Thats an impressive piece of bullshitting. |
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Post by marksenior on Apr 29, 2014 13:31:05 GMT
Terry Wilkins , Conservative councillor for Illogan on Cornwall UA has or is about to resign following the local scandal where he has been exposed as falsely claiming an MBE for a number of years . Thats an impressive piece of bullshitting. I don't know , surely any really ambitious councillor would have claimed a CBE at least . |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 1, 2014 0:24:00 GMT
Very unlikely to be to do with a militia though. Militia as in body of men for non-professional military service. Each wapentake was responsible for supplying men for military service when required (ie, demanded) by the representative of the King. The word comes from "meetingplace", but folk etymology has it that it comes from "those who take (ie carry)/are allowed to take (ie carry) weapons". Just about every medieval subdivision had that responsibility, given that that and taxing were the only reasons to bother having subdivisions. It doesn't therefore follow that militia service had anything to do with the original meaning. And "meeting place" was not originally the primary meaning. It was as follows (taken from A Concise Dictionary of Old Icelandic, Geir T. Zoëga): I think that makes it quite clear that brandishing of weapons was fairly integral to the meaning. |
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Post by kevin on May 1, 2014 6:18:54 GMT
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Post by middleenglander on May 3, 2014 8:17:34 GMT
There are currently 2 by-elections called after 22nd May with another 12 known vacancies although Flintshire, Mostyn will not be called until the result of an appeal over the disqualification is known.
5th June - 1
South Lanarkshire UA, Clydesdale South - SNP resigned
12th June - 1
Rother DC, Bexhill Collington - Independent resigned
Current known vacancies where by-election not yet called - 12
Argyll & Bute UA, Oban North & Lorn - SNP resigned around 1st May
Colchester BC, Wivenhoe Quay - Labour died 4th April
Cornwall UA, Illogan - Conservative resigned around 28th April
Craven DC, Skipton West - Liberal Democrat Dem died 18th April
East Cambridgeshire DC, Soham South - Independent died 17th April
Flintshire UA, Mostyn - Independent disqualification confirmed 5th September but result of appeal awaited
Merthyr Tydfil UA, Penydarren - UKIP died 12th April
Neath Port Talbot UA, Sandsfield East - Labour died 12th March
North Kesteven DC, Sleaford Quarrington & Mareham - Independent resigned 3rd April
North Kesteven DC, Sleaford Westholme - Independent resigned 8th April
North Yorkshire CC, Skipton West - Liberal Democrat died 18th April
Tendring DC, Manningtree, Mistley, Little Bentley & Tendring - Conservative died 19th April
There are also a deferred election following the death of a candidate:
10th July
North Hertfordshire DC, Hitchwood, Offa & Hoo - Conservative defending
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